Mom wants 'sexist' fairy tale banned

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Locknuts said:

DarthMetalliCube said:

It's true, "socialist" is in the full name of "Nazi," though it's pretty much Socialist in name only, as the Nazi's were a far right Fascist regime.

But also important to point out - what's considered "left and right" in general is somewhat fluid and relative depending on the region and period of time. While it's true the Nazi's were indeed a representation of the extreme right in Europe several decades ago, they arguably (at least in my view) have more in common with the modern American extreme/Authoritarian left than the current American right wing or even Authoritarian right wing - between the far left's desire for a large, often imposing government; not to mention on a cultural level, their current obsession with censorship and a hierarchy of identity politics, even to the point of street-level thugs (Antifa) imposing their idea of law and acceptable speech through force, driven ultimately by large corporate interests/media. Sounds like some of the hallmarks of Fascism to me.. Not saying they're the current iteration of Nazi's or anything but they probably skew a bit closer to their ideology than many realize..

At the end of the day, yeah the Nazi's were a far right regime through the scope of 1930's European politics, but far right politics in Europe have very little to do with conservative politics in America for instance, or even current far right politics in America. History is never that black and white.

There is also the factor of "Horseshoe Theory" to consider, which is essentially that once you approach the extreme ends of EITHER side of the spectrum, the lines really start to blur and they actually resemble eachother a great deal. So you could say the Nazi's bear the hallmarks of both the far right and far left.

So while the statement "Nazi's were leftists" is an oversimplification that is mostly false, I do believe there is some validity to it. (I Have a degree in History btw :P)

I always took horseshoe theory to mean that big government can become tyrannical on either side of the political spectrum given the right circumstances. Does it have uses outside of politics?

Yeah it's traditionally used in terms of government though I feel like it can equally apply on a cultural level as well. I haven't really heard it used much on the cultural side of things, but hell, maybe I'll start a trend heh.

greenmedic88 said:
This is the type of story that indicates the tipping point of the cultural war in the West.

The result is not going to be some huge pushback towards conservatism, even though it is projected that Generation Z may be the most conservative since the Silent Generation, but that an increasing number of individuals simply aren't going to care about identity politics, virtue signaling and everything that is offensive, or deemed as offensive because under post modernist interpretation everything is offensive, so why should that even garner a reaction?

There are levels to everything, and Sleeping Beauty being given CPR by a prince and then living happily ever after as the queen in a fairy tale is not some cultural fight to be championed..

Yeah I think whenever there's an over-correction or the scale tipping heavily in one direction eventually things start to even out. I mean hell, I consider myself quite liberal in many ways yet the ridiculous nature of some of this post-modern stuff is actually pushing me to the right more. If you would have told me 10 years ago I'd ever share a shred of common ground with freaking Bush, Cheney, and the neocons I'd have called you crazy.

There may be an initial extreme conservative reaction (see Trump phenomenon to an extent & crazy alt right pushback like in Charlottesville), though ultimately cooler heads usually prevail as things simmer as people see the negative effects in extremes. The one thing I worry about a little bit is that the internet and social media seems to be providing platforms for more extremes on both sides (though particularly the post-modern left) feeding eachother while the moderates voices are snuffed out amongst the insanity. But hopefully when these technologies get more integrated into our lives and we become more accustomed to them these effects diminish..

It's going to be interesting to see how gen Z reacts to this crazy post modern leftism. I think millennials get this impression that their politics are the end all be all and that future generations will admire them, leading to constant waves of SJWs and the perpetually offended, but history shows that's not usually how society works. Things change, society is fluid and ebbs and flows, and much like the religious right conservatives now in their 60's-70's, I see parallels in some ways with Gen X/Millenials, who were once the counter culture/rebels, are now THE establishment. They're now sort of the self-proclaimed keepers of the morals just like the religious right decades ago.. I predict that in much the same way these people rebelled, there will be a sort of semi-conservative/libertarian rebellion, as the conservatives are ironically now becoming the COUNTER culture in some ways. I don't think this generation, growing up when the internet was already a major force in the world, with a wealth of knowledge and platforms to have their voice heard, is going to take kindly to the language and guilt police on their backs. We shall see.. Very odd how history plays out sometimes..