vivster said:
It is in fact quite hard to distinguish Nacism from fascist communism. That's because the more extreme you get, the closer you get to a totalitarian regime where the policies don't serve the populace anymore and are therefore meaningless. That's why I would love to have a separate category for those extreme states. They may have come from different ideologies but end up being neither but something terrible. Nacism comes from nationalism and racism and is therefore considered on the right spectrum, while communism comes from people centric social policies and is therefore considered left. But those are ideologies of old and are not really found within democratic states today. Rather we have two different left and right extremists which are routed less in political matters and more economical ones. The modern right is for freedom, (true) liberalism and self sufficiency, while the left is community centered, shared wealth and equality in all matters. Even the most extreme cases would stop at fascism, or at least would be stopped before it comes to that. So I think it's not fair to compare today's political ideologies with those of the past. So to summarize, Nacism should not be considered right or left, but simply as "stupid". But it did evolve from far right ideologies so it's still weird to say that it's closer to the left than the right.
I realized that I didn't mention progressivism and conservatism which are nowadays pretty tied to left and right respectively. And of course there is religion which plays another important role but all that just muddies everything up and I don't think either of those things should be tied to left or right. |
"Nacism comes from nationalism and racism and is therefore considered on the right spectrum, while communism comes from people centric social policies and is therefore considered left."
hitler pushed many people centric social policies, some of which i have already listed in this thread
off the top of my head : free socialised health, employment for all, public education etc etc etc
the difference is that his policies as you are saying here were also guided by racism and nationalism, since he applied those policies to the detriment of the jews
but i see parallels between this and how the left is now racist against white men anyway... its pretty much the same thing if you can be objective
"But those are ideologies of old and are not really found within democratic states today. Rather we have two different left and right extremists which are routed less in political matters and more economical ones."
this is an odd thing to say since i don't think ideas like these simply just vanish into thin air and even if we accept that they do there is evidence all around us that they exist today
" I think it's not fair to compare today's political ideologies with those of the past."
and i don't really understand why, since as i said ideas don't just vanish into thin air and despite that there is evidence all around to the contrary
google "white men" and count the number of links describing white men as oppressors that are bad for society on the first page
then google "black women" and count the number of links describing black women as victims on the first page
i don't really see how you can be oblivious to what i'm talking about... sure its not as extreme as in hitler's time period in terms of action, but the point i'm making is that the underlying ideas fueling people is largely the same
one group feels victimised and sees another group as oppressors and as a result justifies attacks against that oppressor group... in our current era these attacks are guided by racial and sexist discrimination
and another parallel i'd like to draw is that you mention economics... well hitler supposedly hated the jews because they were more economically and socially well off than his preferred group... the same way that now white men are generally more economically and socially well off than other preferred groups... i mean there are posts in this threat stating this very idea and that it has to be stopped by knocking down the current hierarchical order
"But it did evolve from far right ideologies"
in part yes but clearly as i have detailed he was inspired by leftists ideas also and i'd even say primarily
"And of course there is religion which plays another important role"
hitler was a humanist, which most leftists would consider themselves to be in this era... i know you're probably going to object to this but the evidence is all there
no religion i can think of advocates for worship of people
the thing is that hitler worshiped one particular race of people - the aryan race whereas now we see something like a reverse where white men are viewed as the problem race
