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What do you expect?

NSW will win by a huge margin 53 16.06%
 
NSW will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a huge margin 117 35.45%
 
Sorry, no troll XB1 option. :P Oh wait... 10 3.03%
 
Total:330
Miyamotoo on 13 November 2017
quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

 You do realise that games like Zelda BotW, Mario Odyssey, MK8D and Splatoon2 can be also bouth buy people that are not Nintendo fans!? I mean even here on site you have people who are saying that Switch is their first Nintendo console. And we actually last few weeks having 3rd parties saying they are satisfied with sales of their games on Switch and they promised more games.

You really don't make any sense.

 

We dont know if Fifa bombed, fact that didn't had best 1st week in UK does not mean nothing, EA said they will talk about Fifa sales on Switch after holiday season. And it seems that Doom is selling quite nice, most likely Skyrim will have good sales also, and that Bethesda will be satisfied like almost evre other dev (expect EA) that relased games on Switch until now.

did you miss the part where i said along with some core gamers? obviously core gamers are gonna be interested when the games are nearly the highest rated games of all time, thats gonna get gamers attention. everything points to fifa bombing everywhere. even ea says they are not committed to making games on switch recently, if fifa gave good results i i doubt they would have said that.   

UK first week sales doent mean that game is bombed. This is what EA said, EA wants "to fully understand what the demand is" for the platform before committing more development resources to making new games for the platform", so basicly they want more time to see how big Switch will be. And thats just only EA, evre other dev said they are satisfied with sales of their games on Switch and they promised more games.



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quickrick on 13 November 2017
Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

did you miss the part where i said along with some core gamers? obviously core gamers are gonna be interested when the games are nearly the highest rated games of all time, thats gonna get gamers attention. everything points to fifa bombing everywhere. even ea says they are not committed to making games on switch recently, if fifa gave good results i i doubt they would have said that.   

UK first week sales doent mean that game is bombed. This is what EA said, EA wants "to fully understand what the demand is" for the platform before committing more development resources to making new games for the platform", so basicly they want more time to see how big Switch will be. And thats just only EA, evre other dev said they are satisfied with sales of their games on Switch and they promised more games.

Japanese games make sense on switch, at least the ones that can run, but what major third party western games have been announced? you can't really compare switch to ps4/xb1 because thats where third party's are making there living at the moment. la noir, skyrim, and doom will be big tests for switch. 



Miyamotoo on 13 November 2017
fatslob-:O said:
Miyamotoo said:

Every strong/big game is potential system seller, that espacily goes for 3D Zelda beacuse they are always one of biggest and strongest games on system, especially when we know that Zelda BotW was also released on Wii U also and that could be played via emulator on PC.

But in case of Bayonetta 2 Nintendo paid for development, and that wasnt only case, we also had Wonderful 101 and Fatal Frame V, so you can bet that Switch will have much more titles like those. Remember, Bandai Namco already anancued 3 Switch exclusives for next year, Platinium also said they are working on "intresting" game for Switch so it's possible that's also exclusive game, and dont forget that we already had games like Mario Rabbids and FE Warriors this year.

16nm Tegra become already available on market. Offcourse that point that Switch XL/Pro will be more powerful wouldnt easily offset Nintendo's combined development resources, nothing will relly change, we will have just higher resolution probably, I mean look PS4 Pro for comparison nothing didn't really changed. In any case is much easier to support just one platform than two totally different platforms, you need think only about one lineup of games.

But you realise while Nintendo was supporting Wii U they gave very strong support in same time to 3DS (actualy stronger than they gave to Wii U), basically they resources were divided, not to mention that Wii U was fail and had short life span, so they didnt want to invest too much in Wii U. And you do realise that Switch in first 9 months on market will have 5 AAA Nintendo games (Zelda BotW, MK8D, Splatoon2, Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade2)!? You need to start realising, hole Nintendo with all their recources, all teams (1st party, 2nd party and exclusive 3rd parties), undivided, making games just for one platform. Its very obvious that Switch will have very strong and great support from Nintendo suport with strong and great game, there is reason why Switch has killer 9 monts on market, and Nintendo already said they will continue momentum with strong and good games and after this year, that's actually there one of priorities with Switch.

 

Your points really don't have too much sense, I am not sure there is sense to continue to reply to you.

Pirates are never likely to buy the game to begin with so whatever sales lost you pointed from PC was minimized from the start and Zelda are not the biggest and strongest games on Nintendo systems. Not even close, especially when Animal Crossing, Mario (2D or 3D), Mario Kart, Pokemon and arguably even Smash Bros are all bigger franchises than Zelda ... 

W101 and FFV were funded by Nintendo so that doesn't change my point about Nintendo needing to pay for 3rd party exclusives. Mario + Rabbids and FE Warriors are about as 3rd party as much as they are 1st party ... 

Actually, lot's will change since WII U is now a legacy platform. The only reason Sony is not able to take advantage of PS4 Pro to it's fullest extent is the same reason as developing cross-gen games so I see no basis why iteration times will decrease or more likely not increase even with combined resources for Nintendo when developing on a more powerful platform exclusively ... 

3DS got strong support because it was the obvious successful platform at the time but you can't deny the significant effort Nintendo put in the WII U when it also received most of the flagship franchises for a Nintendo home console. That's not all, the 3DS had 4 ground up built AAA games for it in it's first year while the Switch only had 3 ground up built AAA games for it in the first year with BotW originally being intended for WII U and MK8D being a late port with extra content. All of that was even with preparation before hand when Nintendo ditched the WII U since the rest of 2015 with the release of Splatoon 2 and they largely ditched the 3DS since 2016. When all is said and done the Switch will probably have as strong of software support as the 3DS ... 

As for your last line, offended much ? 

Its not only about pirates, you have some Wii U owners that still didn't bought Switch, and every strong/big game is potential system seller in any case. 3D Zelda games are always one of biggest Nintendo games evre generation, not buy sales, buy buy attention of hole gaming industry, and thats also very important for platform.

But Bayonetta 2 was also made because of Nintendo, point is same, those are all 3rd party exclusives made for Wii U. Mario + Rabbids and FE Warriors are partaly Nintendo IPs but they are completely developed by 3rd parties.

Point of Pro is to offer same PS4 games with higher resolution for 4k TVs, they are same games. Nothing will realy change.

That's my point, they supported in same time 3DS and Wii U, so I dont get it how you can say "Nintendo was barely able to push out 10 AAA titles on the WII U" and try to compare that with Switch. Doesnt matter if Switch games from this year are not  ground up built, that doesnt change anything they done their job great, releasing more games would be overkill, and despite those games that are not "ground up built" Switch first 9 months on market blow away not just 1st 3DS year lineup, but probably every other Nintendo system also, we probably talking about best 1st year linuep (actualy 1st 9 months) for any Nintendo system. Switch will definitely have bigger and better support with better and stronger games than 3DS ever had, I mean 3DS didn't had nothing similar to Zelda BotW and Mario Odyssey that Switch received in its 8 months on market.

No, but you dont make sense with your points, so its just waste of time.



peachbuggy on 13 November 2017
quickrick said:
peachbuggy said:

More wishful thinking,  methinks.

it's just bombed in the uk, and is number 77 in the amazon charts, i expect it to bomb, but nothing confirmed yet.

Number 19 in the U.K.  all formats chart at a very competitive time of the year and against multiplats. I believe it cracked the top 20 at Amazon on more than 1 occasion. Even FIFA hasn't confirmed to have bombed, considering EA didn't supply enough in 1 of its biggest markets (U.K.), it may have met EA expectations for all we know. Interesting that DOOM is at 77 right now, right in amongst the PS4 sku's.



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Miyamotoo on 13 November 2017
quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

UK first week sales doent mean that game is bombed. This is what EA said, EA wants "to fully understand what the demand is" for the platform before committing more development resources to making new games for the platform", so basicly they want more time to see how big Switch will be. And thats just only EA, evre other dev said they are satisfied with sales of their games on Switch and they promised more games.

Japanese games make sense on switch, at least the ones that can run, but what major third party western games have been announced? you can't really compare switch to ps4/xb1 because thats where third party's are making there living at the moment. la noir, skyrim, and doom will be big tests for switch. 

Evre game can run on Switch (SQ said that last week). But you do realise that third party games dont need to sell same on Switch like they are selling to PS4/XB1!? I agree that 3rd party games are mostly system dealers for PS4/XB1 while for Switch they are 1st party games, but that doesnt mean that Switch cant sell great. I am pretty sure that Doom and Skyrim will sell good, La Noire will probably not sell good even on PS4/XB1, and you will seeing more and more 3rd party announcements for Switch in any case.



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Gamer147 on 13 November 2017

So hard to predict. PS4 is a very good system but the release of the PS5 may stop the PS 4 from reaching its full sales potential. Nintendo Switch is selling well and will continue to sell well. Total sales for the Switch depend on a lot of factors. How much 3rd party support will Nintendo receive. Will Nintendo break into the Chinese market. Will some households buy multiple Switches. How good will Pokemon on switch be. What new features will Nintendo online have. All these things and more will greatly affect the Switches lifetime sales.



quickrick on 13 November 2017
Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

Japanese games make sense on switch, at least the ones that can run, but what major third party western games have been announced? you can't really compare switch to ps4/xb1 because thats where third party's are making there living at the moment. la noir, skyrim, and doom will be big tests for switch. 

Evre game can run on Switch (SQ said that last week). But you do realise that third party games dont need to sell same on Switch like they are selling to PS4/XB1!? I agree that 3rd party games are mostly system dealers for PS4/XB1 while for Switch they are 1st party games, but that doesnt mean that Switch cant sell great. I am pretty sure that Doom and Skyrim will sell good, La Noire will probably not sell good even on PS4/XB1, and you will seeing more and more 3rd party announcements for Switch in any case.

Depends how much they wanna invest in the port or if they wanna rework the game, but i think doom proves how difficult it is, the game ran 1080p/60fps  on ps4, and runs 600p/20-30fps on switch, tell me how are they gonna run something that runs 30fps on ps4 thats technically demanding   because it takes 3x the power to run a 30fps game at 60fps.

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fatslob-:O on 13 November 2017
Miyamotoo said:

Its not only about pirates, you have some Wii U owners that still didn't bought Switch, and every strong/big game is potential system seller in any case. 3D Zelda games are always one of biggest Nintendo games evre generation, not buy sales, buy buy attention of hole gaming industry, and thats also very important for platform.

But Bayonetta 2 was also made because of Nintendo, point is same, those are all 3rd party exclusives made for Wii U. Mario + Rabbids and FE Warriors are partaly Nintendo IPs but they are completely developed by 3rd parties.

Point of Pro is to offer same PS4 games with higher resolution for 4k TVs, they are same games. Nothing will realy change.

That's my point, they supported in same time 3DS and Wii U, so I dont get it how you can say "Nintendo was barely able to push out 10 AAA titles on the WII U" and try to compare that with Switch. Doesnt matter if Switch games from this year are not  ground up built, that doesnt change anything they done their job great, releasing more games would be overkill, and despite those games that are not "ground up built" Switch first 9 months on market blow away not just 1st 3DS year lineup, but probably every other Nintendo system also, we probably talking about best 1st year linuep (actualy 1st 9 months) for any Nintendo system. Switch will definitely have bigger and better support with better and stronger games than 3DS ever had, I mean 3DS didn't had nothing similar to Zelda BotW and Mario Odyssey that Switch received in its 8 months on market.

No, but you dont make sense with your points, so its just waste of time.

Forget about the WII U, it consists of the most dedicated Nintendo customers so they would've gotten a Switch regardless down the road whether or not another Zelda would've come. There are many other reasons for them to purchase the Switch such as a new 2D/3D Mario, Splatoon 2 or Smash Bros ... (heck can't even rule out that they'll capitalize on WII U's customer base with Animal Crossing or Pokemon) 

Which doesn't change my initial point about 3rd party exclusives being few and far in between without Nintendo's backing ... 

Except you can't compare the situation between the Switch/WII U to that of PS4/Pro. Nintendo has to exclusively make the game for Switch which is arguably twice as powerful as their previous system while Sony still has to make their games work on base PS4 ... (Nintendo has to bring out twice as many games than they did for the WII U on a more powerful system so the combined resources isn't much of an advantage at all when it is offset) 

Actually, the 3DS received similar equivalents such as OoT 3D and SM3DL in it's first year ... 

My points don't make sense to you because you can't comprehend them ... 



VideoGameAccountant on 13 November 2017
fatslob-:O said:
VideoGameAccountant said:

I find it very cute that you said I was wrong yet you wrote that post. 

First, you don't understand that projections are not the same as actual. Fun fact, did you know that Nintendo revised their projection for the 3DS downward. They originally expected the system to sell 16 million but revised it downward in the third quarter. They, of course, didn't sell 16 million. 14 million is what Nintendo is projecting for the Switch, but Nintendo is also very conservative as well. It goes back to what I said about ignoring information that doesn't fit your conclusion. I showed you how the system could sell over 14 million and could be at 18 million by the end of the third quarter, but that doesn't matter. 

"Its doubtful Switch will be able to match that peak during the holiday." And why not? The Switch is already outselling the 3DS within the first two quarters. Why would it not do that during the third? You don't say. You just claim it's impossible. It can't happen.

You also keep bringing up shipment vs sales when I'm comparing the same reports (meaning it would be irrelevant if it was sold-in vs sold-through), so I'm not sure you even understand what's going on.

At this point, you are moving the goal post to avoid admitting your wrong. You were so sure about comparing the Switch to the 3DS, but when you are clearly shown that the Switch is outpacing the 3DS, you proclaim it can't sell the same numbers this holiday. Of course, you proclaim that with no actual facts or even arguments. And it's funny because you claim I'm in denial, but I've clearly shown you the numbers on how the Switch is outperforming. Your response is to say how it just can't  happen. That is the definition of denial. 

Still doesn't make you any less wrong for thinking that Nintendo shared sold through numbers instead of shipment ... (A "VideoGameAccount" that probably doesn't take a look at quarterly reports, well who'd have thunk it ?) 

Also, this was Nintendo's 5th biggest adjustment in a quarter and they're pretty much on track to meet their expectations comfortably when the Switch has yet to have stock issues (600K units in the channels as of the end of September and they just raised shipment expectations by 4M units too) so the only way Nintendo will be able to ship more units than what they forecast is if demand for the system outstrips availability ... (Nintendo stopped being conservative and started being realistic since the only time they ever adjusted hardware up this high was in the DS's third fiscal year in the first quarter) 

I never said "impossible" to begin so straw man much ? As for why well for one thing the Switch still can't match up to what the 3DS did in Japan this whole year and will fall further behind when the 3DS had SEVERAL weeks where it sold 200K+ units in Japan during the holidays so that's one region where the Switch already gets counted out despite the already strong performance. 3DS also managed to beat the the Switch in the US in August and will manage to come close in September so the system is well positioned for the holiday rush all things considered. 3DS's first holiday in the US was by far it's best holiday performance in the US in all of it's years and PS4 in any of it's years has yet to topple what the 3DS did in it's first December in the US so it's definitely a strong possibility that the 3DS will start catching up to the Switch in the US during the holidays and especially when the 3DS will get boosted by 3D Mario and Mario Kart simultaneously! So already the Switch won't be able to match what the 3DS did in it's holidays in Japan and it's also unlikely to match the 3DS in it's first holiday in the US which just leaves Europe ... (The 3DS in November in the US sold just as much as the Switch did in it's launch month in the US and the Switch was Nintendo biggest system launch ever) 

As for your last paragraph, distress much ? It's an undeniable fact that Nintendo is expecting Switch to be upto par with 3DS like it or not ... 

"I never said "impossible" to begin so straw man much ?"

"Still doesn't make you any less wrong for thinking that Nintendo shared sold through numbers instead of shipment "

Your post is the most pathetic thing I've seen and you keep digging this hole for your self. I love how you say I can't read quarterly reports when all the information I provided you is from quarterly reports and you keep getting these things wrong. You keep adding some weird sentense at the end of your paragraphs like "distress much," like some childish projection. And you still bring the shipment vs sales thing up even though it doesn't matter. How about you provide that source I asked you for in the second response. 

Also, the 3DS sold 1.07 million in Japan by Q2 2011 while the Switch sold 1.35 million (despite massive supply issues) in the same time frame. As of September, the 3DS was ahead by 180K life-to-date. In the US and Other, the Switch is up in both the 1st full fiscal year and LTD. The only metric the 3DS is ahead by was Japan's LTD sales. August is also part of Q2 meaning you don't understand accounting periods. But please, tell me how its impossible for the Switch to not outperform the 3DS when it already is in every region.

At this point, your post only deserves ridicule. I've shown you the numbers 10 ways from Sunday, but you won't listen because they don't confirm your theory. Switch can't beat 3DS despite it beating 3DS in the same time frame. You fail to understand that projections are not necessarily exactly what the company will do and that they are incentivized to beat it. Others have already pointed out how you move the goal post and how you over-rely on projection. Not much reason to continue beside to mock your ramblings. 




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Eagle367 on 13 November 2017
quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

 You do realise that games like Zelda BotW, Mario Odyssey, MK8D and Splatoon2 can be also bouth buy people that are not Nintendo fans!? I mean even here on site you have people who are saying that Switch is their first Nintendo console. And we actually last few weeks having 3rd parties saying they are satisfied with sales of their games on Switch and they promised more games.

You really don't make any sense.

 

We dont know if Fifa bombed, fact that didn't had best 1st week in UK does not mean nothing, EA said they will talk about Fifa sales on Switch after holiday season. And it seems that Doom is selling quite nice, most likely Skyrim will have good sales also, and that Bethesda will be satisfied like almost evre other dev (expect EA) that relased games on Switch until now.

did you miss the part where i said along with some core gamers? obviously core gamers are gonna be interested when the games are nearly the highest rated games of all time, thats gonna get gamers attention. everything points to fifa bombing everywhere. even ea says they are not committed to making games on switch recently, if fifa gave good results i i doubt they would have said that.   

FIFA didn't bomb, there weren't enough game cards to sell. The reports came out that people just couldn't find the FIFA switch game in many European places and UK so I don't know what you are on about. If EA themselves don't make enough copies of the game, it's not called bombing. EA sold what EA made so that would justify the claim that it was a success based on what EA was expecting. If EA didn't even make a 1 million copies of the game, how can it sell 1mil?



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