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quickrick said:
HintHRO said:

It's crazy right? The Switch offers absolutely nothing more (way less actually) than Wii U did at launch and its features and content atm is severy lacking. Yet Wii U numbers were abysmal. I think the console/handheld hybrid hype is making people blind when it comes to price/content ratio. 

3ds is shit compared to wiiu, yet people bought 3ds 10x more, people like to buy nintedo handhelds, and switch is a modern nintedo handheld, what did you expect?

3DS being shit is your opinion. 3DS actually has a lot of quality games right now. However it had a very bad first few months until the price drop + quality games came. Switch right now is still very expensive and at launch the games were very lacklustre (for me it's still very bad) but somehow it still sold exceptionally well. It has to be the console/handheld hybrid concept because it offers nothing special content-wise compared to Wii U/3DS launch. 



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HintHRO said:
quickrick said:

3ds is shit compared to wiiu, yet people bought 3ds 10x more, people like to buy nintedo handhelds, and switch is a modern nintedo handheld, what did you expect?

3DS being shit is your opinion. 3DS actually has a lot of quality games right now. However it had a very bad first few months until the price drop + quality games came. Switch right now is still very expensive and at launch the games were very lacklustre (for me it's still very bad) but somehow it still sold exceptionally well. It has to be the console/handheld hybrid concept because it offers nothing special content-wise compared to Wii U/3DS launch. 

well you're being silly.  highest rated zleda since oot, being called revolutionary be the almost every outlet  then you have mario kart, splatoon, and mario 64 sequel that also now the highest rated game of all time, with a handheld that really is a much better value then 3ds, the tech is way more modern for it's time. it also helps that this nintendo's next console as well. even if you think the game are lackluster you should be able to see why those games are seling switches. there nintendo's biggest franchises that are being called revolutionary by every media online.



Miyamotoo said:
Barozi said:

Even a bit worse than expected.
Sub 720p most of the time and gets down to 21 FPS in larger firefights.

and people are wondering why there aren't more PS4/X1 games on the Switch. Doom was a good running game in comparison to many others *cough* FFXV *cough*.

You do realise that FFXV runs bad even on PS4 Pro, game is not optimised and has very demanding engine, thats all.

Infos we having curently tell us that Doom is seling quite nice on Switch, so yes desipite "Sub 720p most of the time and gets down to 21 FPS in larger firefights" game is selling well and Bethesda will make profit, so yes, people are wondering why there aren't more PS4/X1 games on the Switch beacuse they can make money on those ports, but we know that much more PS4/XB1 ports are coming.

 

@bolded: That may have been true at first, with the bad frame pacing (while still being pretty much rock solid 30fps).

But now? Nope. The option to have the game run smoothly by selecting the Steady performance profile has been available for quite some time now and gets rid of the frame pacing issue. So yeah, the game is indeed quite optimized in its current state. 




fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:

Looks like Rocket League does boost resolution when docked after all:

https://gonintendo.com/stories/295451-psyonix-talks-about-resolution-differences-for-rocket-league-when

So it looks like your initial interpretation wasn't a concern ... (Doom got a resolution boost in docked mode compared to portable mode and it is more substantial with Rocket League so are Panic Button "crap" developers still ?) 

Yeah I was dead wrong there. I take back my criticisms of Panic Button.

HintHRO said:

It's crazy right? The Switch offers absolutely nothing more (way less actually) than Wii U did at launch and its features and content atm is severy lacking. Yet Wii U numbers were abysmal. I think the console/handheld hybrid hype is making people blind when it comes to price/content ratio. 

Switch offers way more than Wii U did; nothing released in the Wii U's first year was in the same league as Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey. 

HintHRO said:

So basically the ugliest version with worst performance, less content, released later and currently the most expensive in stores. It's like Switch owners deal with any amount of bullshit just because ''it's portable''.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's simply a matter of it being a great game now available on a system I own.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 14 November 2017

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

Shiken said:

The battery life is pretty close to the VITA, which is a handheld.  So because it has a dock, it does not qualify?  You are reaching, and laughably at that.

Show me a 300 dollar laptop or mobile device that can run DOOM even close to what the Switch does, then you can talk about standards and shortcomings.

No. I am saying because it has a dock and it can function as a home-console it should thus be compared to the other home consoles.
It's a simple premise.

The Switch is trying to be the jack-of-all trades remember, that does indeed come with that particular caveat of being compared to other platforms. - Don't like it? To bad.
Picking and choosing what platforms the Switch should be compared against is silly and nonsensical... Because knowing my luck if I started comparing the Switch to more powerful mobile devices someone will interject and say "But it's a Home Consoles!" - It's a no-win situation due to it's hybrid design.

So what do we do? We compare it against all the devices it is competing against.
That means the Playstation 4, Xbox One, PC, Vita, 3DS, Mobile and so on.

Shiken said:

You have nothing to compare it to, so you are comparing a portable device to a home console.  It honestly just seems to me you are against the Switch.  There is no other reason to crucade the way you are given the facts and nature of the device.

I have a spare PC that is about 10~ years old. It plays Doom better than the Switch.
And yes. I am against the Switch's hardware. - I have been pretty vocal about that, that isn't some kind of new revelation you have stumbled upon, it's pretty common knowledge.
Yet, I will give credit where credit is due, you are not required to agree with it either.

Shiken said:

Again, want the full HD version, get it for PS4.

I wouldn't dare lower myself to only Full HD.

Shiken said:

Want a portable version, get it for Switch.  Not that hard of a concept, and both are fully playable.  Just because something does not hit what you desire just because you do not like the nature of the device it is on does not make it a flaw in the port or the Hardware.

The Switch's form factor does not appeal to me.

I have already stated multiple times prior on this forum that if Nintendo wishes for me to purchase a Switch... Then it needs to ditch the joycons, screen, battery, dock... And sell it at lower price with full/better performance and then I will buy it.

The games do appeal to me, the form factor does not.
I do own other Nintendo consoles, so don't think I am anti-Nintendo by any means.

Shiken said:
And FYI, your standard of 1080p 60fps has never been and never will be what the current base model consoles have put out.  By your logic, the PS4 and X1 were outdated at launch and the X1X and PS4Pro are weak because they fail to do what they set out to, which is native 4k (at 60fps in terms of the X1X).  Oddly enough, the Switch does do what it set out to.  Console quality games on the go with the option to play on your TV AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE.

The Xbox One and Playstation 4 WAS outdated upon launch, I have also been a heavy critic of their anemic hardware since we knew what the internals of those devices were.
The Xbox One X and Playstation 4 Pro are also underpowered as like you said... They fail to guarantee 4k.

But guess what? The Playstation 4 and Xbox One's terrible hardware doesn't somehow make the Switch's even more anemic hardware more tolerable, in fact is does the opposite.

Shiken said:
So unless you are a PC gamer, you may as well just quit because nothing will ever meet your "standards".

It's almost like you know me.

curl-6 said:

Switch offers way more than Wii U did; nothing released in the Wii U's first year was in the same league as Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey. 

I think Breath of the Wild is what truly cemented the Switch in the eyes of the many though.
Despite the game being on the Wii U as well... Everyone seemed to be talking about it on the Switch at the time.

Which is great for Nintendo, you do tend to want the focus on your new shiny product.



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It will be interesting to see what happens with Wolfenstein II, which as I understand it is a more demanding game than Doom. For all its tradeoffs, I'd still say Doom on Switch is a worthy conversion; hopefully the same can be said of Wolfenstein, but pulling it off is going to be a nightmare.

Pemalite said: 
curl-6 said:

Switch offers way more than Wii U did; nothing released in the Wii U's first year was in the same league as Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey. 

I think Breath of the Wild is what truly cemented the Switch in the eyes of the many though.
Despite the game being on the Wii U as well... Everyone seemed to be talking about it on the Switch at the time.

Which is great for Nintendo, you do tend to want the focus on your new shiny product.

Yeah Breath of the Wild hit like a meteor strike, the hype was insane, and for most consumers getting the superior version on the trendy new platform was a much more appealing option than getting the inferior version on a dead system that was never cool.

Throw in Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, and other games that aren't quite killer apps but still add to the library, like Kingdom Battle, not to mention the upcoming Xenoblade 2, and you have a first year with vastly more appealing software than what Wii U had.

There's no mystery the way I see it; in the eyes of the mainstream consumer, Wii U had unappealing hardware and software and thus didn't sell, while Switch has appealing hardware and software, thus it's selling well.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:

It will be interesting to see what happens with Wolfenstein II, which as I understand it is a more demanding game than Doom. For all its tradeoffs, I'd still say Doom on Switch is a worthy conversion; hopefully the same can be said of Wolfenstein, but pulling it off is going to be a nightmare.

Pemalite said: 

I think Breath of the Wild is what truly cemented the Switch in the eyes of the many though.
Despite the game being on the Wii U as well... Everyone seemed to be talking about it on the Switch at the time.

Which is great for Nintendo, you do tend to want the focus on your new shiny product.

Yeah Breath of the Wild hit like a meteor strike, the hype was insane, and for most consumers getting the superior version on the trendy new platform was a much more appealing option than getting the inferior version on a dead system that was never cool.

Throw in Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, and other games that aren't quite killer apps but still add to the library, like Kingdom Battle, not to mention the upcoming Xenoblade 2, and you have a first year with vastly more appealing software than what Wii U had.

There's no mystery the way I see it; in the eyes of the mainstream consumer, Wii U had unappealing hardware and software and thus didn't sell, while Switch has appealing hardware and software, thus it's selling well.

Also this time Nintendo has good marketing and branding.