That’s a pretty great bundle lol

Youre right, in relation PS4  the Xbone library looks pathetic. Its a huge shame, cause by itself Xbone does have some great gems. Namely Sunset Overdrive, Ori, Cuphead, and Forza Horizon. But yeah, PS4 just crushes it.

People would call exclusive output good for PS4 and bad for Xbone, but for me its through the roof for Sony and just average for Xbox (which is not good enough, looking at their competitors)

Exclusives don't sell in big numbers compared to multiplats so continually using that argument is moot to your average gamer.

I didn't use "that argument". You said that the X1X plays "many games unavailable on competing consoles", and I made a lighthearted joke saying don't be too hyperbolic. Then Flashfire talked about the amount of exclusives X1 had after seeing me reference your comment. Nowhere did I say having more exclusives was more valuable, or that they were valuable to the consumers, which would be required in order for me to be using "that argument", otherwise your point wouldn't make sense. The 2nd discussion with flashfire was purely numbers, nothing to do with relevance or importance.

Nice bundle. They had to counter the release of the x in some way

Most people would. It is a good thing the Xbox still gets games.
It just hardly has any exclusives, which is okay if you don't give a crap about them... And some people don't.

I mean... I didn't care for Uncharted, Gears of War or Mario Kart for instance, so would never buy those consoles for those games... But I would buy them for a multi-platform like Battlefield.

* PUBG is on PC, probably end up on Playstation later.

* Sea of Thieves isn't out yet.

* Cuphead I will give you, but it's not a graphics powerhouse. Also on PC.

* Titanfall 1 is old, archaic... And if I am to be honest... A very ugly game as it's based around the venerable Source engine. The population is probably dead by now.

* Halo 5 is also a few years old at this point, was not as great as prior games in the franchise like Halo 3 IMHO... I tried to play a Warzone match the other day, population seems dead in Oceania.

Backwards compatibility is a good selling point if you have allot of titles from prior Xbox platforms (I do) and you care for such a scheme. (Not everyone does... And that is okay.)

Xbox One X's improved graphics for older titles is good, however... If you were to take say... Oblivion, Assassins Creed  or any other older game... The PC was running those games better on release, still great if you have a games library from those generations and aren't a PC gamer though..
I just find it hilarious that it's apparently some kind of new revelation that older games can look better. Haha

Best Controller? You know what. Outside of the Keyboard and Mouse, I agree.
I have always preferred the Asymmetrical analogue sticks... Microsoft has had the better controller starting with the 360 IMHO.
I also like the fact that they have retained AA battery compatibility.

Well. It does share over 1,000+ games with the Xbox One at last count I think.
Shares a ton with the PC too.
Something like over 90% of the games library on the Xbox One/Playstation 4 are shared with each other and other platforms, that's the reality of the industry today as developers/publishers try to push their games to as large of an Audience as possible.

I mean... It's great to claim you have a ton of exclusives but... The reality is. Majority are multi-platforms regardless if it's Xbox One or Playstation 4 or PC.

I think what Microsoft is attempting to do though is leverage the 6th and 7th gen library's to make it's game situation seem more favorable to the competition, some people are obviously going to lap it up especially if they get the Resolution, Framerate and Anisotropic filtering boost on the Xbox One X.

Exclusives can sell like gangbusters though.

Halo 3 was an exclusive and sold over 14+ million copies on the 360.
Pokemon Red/Green/Blue sold over 30+ million copies on the Gameboy.
Grand Turismo sold an obscene amount on the Playstation 2 as well if I recall.
League of Legends has enough Gamers to start a nation.

Microsoft needs exclusives.
But not only does it need exclusives... It needs exclusives that make people *want* to buy into the platform.

It also needs exclusives that push the console to it's limits and shows off what the Xbox One X's hardware can do, games like Cuphead, PubG, Sea of Thieves and Crackdown are not the games that will do that.

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I am interested to see if Microsoft will counter the PS4 Pro bundle by leveraging the Xbox One S at a lower price, the Xbox One X is selling on it's power merits for the foreseeable future, so they have that to bolster average selling prices of the hardware division.

I do appreciate their 1st party games so no idea what you are talking about.

So the X360 means it tried to change everything and came back to the same place? a 360º spin.

That's mainly because it isn't really BC, it is a well done and workload patching/remastering. And as that it is basically a new release and for that they depend on licenses and permissions... if X1X came with HW BC or even SW BC all games would be BC instantly and of course the improvements would be smaller.

Well the problem is that the guy prefers a console with 0 games (that he can buy the multiplats) instead of another very good consoles with 10 games for the same price and with performance being very similar. And by his own admission that would be basically based on a 30% power difference.

Yep, if you like MS games you can't say they are bad at exclusives (but it's because below average because Nintendo and Sony are much better), but since it's so reduced for some people their 1st party is almost useless.

GT3 sold about 15M and GT4 12M on PS2... GT5 sold 12M on PS3... Uncharted averages at 10M each considering the collection. Several Nintendo exclusives sell north of 5M... so there are quite some exclusives that sell good. Of course one may not care about any of them.

Well people are saying price wise it’s not a good value so if they fix that, it’s a pretty sweet bundle. Though personally I would sell everything except Horizon. Which would make buying the bundle pointless.

For the same money you can get a xbone x without games or a ps4 pro with a bunch of great exclusives. Very hard decision...

I cannot see apart from hardcore xbox fans anyone getting excited about X honestly. Anyways time will tell if 500$ mid gen console was success or not. Hope somehow we get numbers. Even if it sells half of the original I will be really really surprised.

In UK racing games are popular.