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HyrulianScrolls on 13 October 2017
Shaunodon said:
HyrulianScrolls said:

3D Mario games tend to avoid getting low scores though from much of anyone. Only Sunshine and 3D World got a couple scores below 80. The Galaxies and 64 don't have any below 90. A 3D Mario game is probably the only real possibility for a 98 in this day and age. 

With the amount of attention you can garner on the internet with controversy I'd say we'll never see a 98 in this day and age.

Also wouldn't rule out Jim Sterling walking back his 'over reviews' skit just to swoop in with a 5/10 after a few days.

And I honestly don't put as much blame on the certain reviewers as I do on Metacritic, who don't do a good enough job vetting the publications they allow to have official scores on their site. There needs to be a universal standard, considering how much importance people place on Metacritic nowadays.

At the very least, the reviewer should be capable of getting past the tutorial.

I just wouldn't say never considering how close BOTW just came to doing it, even with 3 mediocre/poor scores. Jim gave BOTW a 70 after all, which is still hardly panning it. And that's factoring in that Zelda is inherently a much easier franchise for a critic to pick apart if they want to than Mario, considering it takes itself more seriously. The thing about a truly well made mainline Mario game is that it's just going to be a lot of fun, so even the most cantenkerous of critics will have a hard time nitpicking at a game like that. It's a lot harder to hate on, so someone really would have to be out solely for the attention. Of course that's possible, I'm just saying that if any game can pull off a 98 today, my money is on 3D Mario. 



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Lonely_Dolphin on 13 October 2017
Nuvendil said:

Perhaps they felt there was very little in the way of criticisms to be had in their mind?  That is a thing you know, it does happen.  Even Yahtzee, who makes a living being a cynical, overly critical prick had nothing negative to say about Portal.

 

No game is without flaws, and even if they're not a big deal to you, they should still be mentioned not only to have a complete review, but also because those flaws might be a big deal to others. Xenoblade X is a perfect example, I had no idea about the tiny text, and that ruined the game for me. And to your next post, what the previous Mario games scored is irrelevant. I'm going based solely off the hype and what I'm hearing about Odyssey, which so far boils down to it's Mario but with bigger scope/budget. I just wanna know if there's more to the hype than that.

 

Shaunodon said:

A wild idea- maybe just try the game when it comes out and see for yourself?

You seem to be obssessed with doing research on the game and trying to add to your "educated opinion" that it already can't be a 10/10, but I think you seem to be forgetting that it's a video game(form of interactive media).

If so many people are raving about it and you can't understand why, then the only way you'll get a true persepective is to actually play the game. All the reviews in the world won't be able to replicate the experience of actually playing the game.

Even if the game isn't a 10/10 for you, I doubt it'll be so bad that you'll regret the purchase.

 

Was it really necessary to quote all my post? Now make no mistake, I will be getting Odyssey day 1 and I know I will enjoy it. However there are many who also haven't played the game touting that it's a 10/10. I would like to know what they're seeing that I'm not, and was hoping reviews would make that something more clear. I don't need the experience of playing the game, I'll be getting that soon enough. I want to know what's so good about it that makes it a 10/10 a game. It doesn't require playing a game to understand what makes it good or not.



Volterra_90 on 13 October 2017
Green098 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade but a 95+ score is not guaranteed because one usually harsh critic has given the game a perfect score. It's a good sign for sure but let's not get carried away.

Eh... 3D World got a 93, do you honestly think Super Mario Odyssey won't be able to do better? I mean I know it is not guaranteed but... even without the knowledge of a 100 from EDGE, it kind of basically always was unless some reviewer gives it a clickbait review score of 30 or something.

Yeah, I think it'll probably do better. Still, I was more convinced with what I saw in 3DWorld than with SMO, based on gameplays. But that's maybe because platforming-based Marios are my favourite franchise. This is not really platforming-based, as far as I can tell there're much more exploration involved than platforming.



palou on 13 October 2017

Hey, does anyone know when the SMO review embargo ends? thanks!



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pokoko on 14 October 2017
tbone51 said:
pokoko said:

I wouldn't even say "usually harsh".  EDGE is infamous for loving certain types of games but low-balling others. 

Whether you "trust" EDGE or not probably depends on what kind of games you like.

Is it because mario (3d) ans zelda have 3 perfect scores people say this? I mean every1 last gen were saying SMG/TLoU are the GoaT (like in agreement) SM64/LoZ OoT are self explanatory. Skyward Sword i can see people getting somewhat worked up over but even that they only gave 20 10/10 scores away.

 

3D Mario Games made: 6 (7 if remake ds counts) and 3 got perfect scores on EDGE.

 

Zelda Games: over 20, 3 of which are perfect scores. (If only 3D zelda then 3 out of 6)

 

I mean are they really infamous for doing that? (I dont kno EDGE too well)

A lot of people dislike EDGE.  I know they don't fit my tastes very well at all.

Persona 5 -80, Jade Empire - 70, Metroid 3 - 70, Fallout 3 - 70, Mass Effect - 70, Valkyria Chronicles - 70, Witcher 3 - 80, Dragon Age: Origins 50 (fuck off, EDGE), Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 - 70, Gran Turismo 4 - 70 (fuck off, EDGE), Ori and the Blind Forest - 70, Dark Cloud 2 - 60, The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings - 60 ... but an 80 for Bladestorm?  A 90 for Little Big Planet 3?  A 90 for Mario + Rabbids?

Some series, they always give great scores, other series always get low scores.  They're basically Jim Sterling: The Magazine.  



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Shaunodon on 14 October 2017
pokoko said:
tbone51 said:

Is it because mario (3d) ans zelda have 3 perfect scores people say this? I mean every1 last gen were saying SMG/TLoU are the GoaT (like in agreement) SM64/LoZ OoT are self explanatory. Skyward Sword i can see people getting somewhat worked up over but even that they only gave 20 10/10 scores away.

 

3D Mario Games made: 6 (7 if remake ds counts) and 3 got perfect scores on EDGE.

 

Zelda Games: over 20, 3 of which are perfect scores. (If only 3D zelda then 3 out of 6)

 

I mean are they really infamous for doing that? (I dont kno EDGE too well)

A lot of people dislike EDGE.  I know they don't fit my tastes very well at all.

Persona 5 -80, Jade Empire - 70, Metroid 3 - 70, Fallout 3 - 70, Mass Effect - 70, Valkyria Chronicles - 70, Witcher 3 - 80, Dragon Age: Origins 50 (fuck off, EDGE), Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 - 70, Gran Turismo 4 - 70 (fuck off, EDGE), Ori and the Blind Forest - 70, Dark Cloud 2 - 60, The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings - 60 ... but an 80 for Bladestorm?  A 90 for Little Big Planet 3?  A 90 for Mario + Rabbids?

Some series, they always give great scores, other series always get low scores.  They're basically Jim Sterling: The Magazine.  

I wouldn't say any of these scores are egregious.

Cetainly a bit of lowballing, however none of these games are perfect and you could make pretty good cases for why some of them deserve it.

Dragon Age for example: While I love the writing and choice that it gives you the optimisation was dreadful, and for a AAA studio the game looked borderline middle-market.

I've only ever heard good things about Mario + Rabbids.



GuyDuke on 14 October 2017
HyrulianScrolls said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade but a 95+ score is not guaranteed because one usually harsh critic has given the game a perfect score. It's a good sign for sure but let's not get carried away.

The real reason 95+ is such a safe bet is because only one 3d Mario game has failed to hit that mark (3D World/Land are hybrids). 

Hit the 100 with EDGE? Yeah, but only the Galaxy Games are above 97 meta.

Critical reception of games are very hard to predict - there is no given rule on how it will end up.

I hope it's above 95 though^^



Miyamotoo on 15 October 2017
TruckOSaurus said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade but a 95+ score is not guaranteed because one usually harsh critic has given the game a perfect score. It's a good sign for sure but let's not get carried away.

Of Course that nothing is guaranteed, but there is reason why people think and why there are very good chanches that Mario Odyssey will be 95+ game. Mario Sunshine that's considered for worst 3D Mario game has score of 92, while Mario Galaxy 1/2 have score of 97, while SM3DW 93, and Mario Odyssey looks like it will be one best 3D Mario games ever (we had very positive prewievs) and easily better game than Mario Sunshine and SM3DW, and 10 score from EDGE is just onother sign that points that Mario Odyssey will be 95+ game. Personaly I am 80% sure that Mario Odyssey will get at least 95 score.



Green098 on 15 October 2017

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/10/11/what-to-make-of-that-perfect-super-mario-odyssey-review-score/#73a8c754453f

^Deserves any hate he gets from this. Don't write an article insulting and attacking EDGE then get upset when people do the same to you for it.

"Edge Magazine, which is still printed on dead trees"

"it's always a little bit odd when one publication has its review out so far in advance of every other. It cheapens the perfect score because we can't help but wonder if it's all above board, or if secret deals were struck behind the scenes."

"So my suggestion would be to take this with a massive, heaping hat full of salt."





Chrizum on 15 October 2017
Green098 said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/10/11/what-to-make-of-that-perfect-super-mario-odyssey-review-score/#73a8c754453f

^Deserves any hate he gets from this. Don't write an article insulting and attacking EDGE then get upset when people do the same to you for it.

"Edge Magazine, which is still printed on dead trees"

"it's always a little bit odd when one publication has its review out so far in advance of every other. It cheapens the perfect score because we can't help but wonder if it's all above board, or if secret deals were struck behind the scenes."

"So my suggestion would be to take this with a massive, heaping hat full of salt."

Hahahaha it really is unbelievable how some media are making a huge fool out of themselves. I mean everyone who's seen this surely can't be taking Forbes seriously anymore.