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Hiku said:
SpokenTruth said:

Look at all the hurricanes it prevented this year too.

Science is a hoax. You just have to pray extra hard for hurricanes because they're bigger than bullets. But in this case the recent hurricane was sent by God because USA legalized abortion and gay marriage: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/09/pastor-promises-god-will-stop-hurricane-irma-ban-abortion-gay-marriage/

Another person said that Texas was being punished because they voted for Trump, when Texas was being hit by their hurricane.

Solution: Ignore these nut cases, and prevent those same nut cases from buying guns.

Edit: funny enough, the person who said that about Texas was from Florida. Wonder what he was thinking as Florida has their Hurricanes in route.



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SpokenTruth said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, obviously in this economy people are going to do vile things to make a profit. But without guns, how are we even going to be able to defend ourself from an opponent with tanks, all kinds of weaponry, helicopters, etc?

I hear the military is recruiting.

 

Superman4 said:

Not here. The US sells guns to other countries like Mexico which would just give the Cartels an even larger funding source. Criminals would just get even more weapons that are completly untraceable and still use them.  All making them illegal does is give riminals more revenue and another commodity in high demand while leaving law abiding citizens at the mercy of those criminals. 

How will criminals get more weapons?  And how will they get completely untracable weapons?  And how does that give the criminals more revenue?

Guns will continue to flow to countries like MExico from the US. Gun Manufactureres will also just move to other countries and still continue to sell them. Cartels will in turn have a new market that is in demand because the local laws outlaw them. Those guns will not be traceable because in the US when a firearm is sold it is registered to the buyer, since the sale will now be black market none of the weapons coming into the US will be registered making them untraceable. 



SpokenTruth said:
VGPolyglot said:

That's who I meant we had to defend ourselves from.

Oh, well, then.  That must be a very confusing lifestyle.  They fear the military but chear proudly when they bomb a foreign country.

"They"? You know that not everyone that has guns/is against mass restriction of them is right wing?



I'm just glad he was white. Minimal or no dog whistling from our Clown in Chief.



FIT_Gamer said:
I'm just glad he was white. Minimal or no dog whistling from our Clown in Chief.

I don't understand this. Instead of wishing for the person to be of a certain race, we should try to remove prejudices that perpetuate racial issues in the first place.



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Hiku said:
sc94597 said:

Why would money be a consideration when you plan to end your life anyway? People in Western countries have access to quite a bit of credit and since they have no intention of paying it back there is no care about interest rates.The process to get an Assault Rifle in the U.S is already quite rigorous and as I mentioned earlier 10 assault rifles are going to put you over a hundred thousand dollars. Australia's black market might be more supply constraint because it is an island country with an overwhelming majority of its population living along the coasts, making enforcement easier. 

The assault rifle used in the Sandy Hook shooting cost about $1000, legally. The same gun costs $34k on the Australian black market.
That kind of difference matters to many.  And that kind of credit is not that easy to be approved for. Banks have to assess that your value and income makes it probable for you to pay them back before being approved larger sums. And you can't go to multiple banks because when they perform a credit check on you, it will send a red flag. And you may not have a house to put up for collateral, or maybe you already have credit issues, etc . There's no doubt that this would make it more difficult for some people.
Having to go through the black market makes it more difficult as well. And even if you manage to get the money, those who plan to die may want to do more with their money during their last days than just killing people, etc.
range?

None of the weapons used in Newtown were assault rifles. An assault rifle is a very specific term which is a synonym for a selective-fire (can switch between semi and fully-automatic) rifle. 

You are looking for "assault-style rifle" which is a much more vague and nebulous term which arbitraily selects guns based on cosmetic features that make them look similar to assault rifles.

Both the top gun and the bottom gun are equally lethal. The bottom one just has certain features that make it easier to use (and therefore control.)  

Both are semi-automatic weapons. Why would one need a semi-automatic weapon? In those scenarios where constantly reloading is not something you want to deal with. Riots and mob attacks come to mind, but there are also instances in which farmers/rural people might find it advantageous to deal with pack animals. 

The weapon used last night was not a semi-automatic weapon. It was definitely a fully-automatic weapon or select-fire weapon (you could hear the spray of bullets) and those are heavily regulated as Class III weapons in the United States.

Here in the U.S people can get personal loans for like $20k if they have good credit. 



VGPolyglot said:
FIT_Gamer said:
I'm just glad he was white. Minimal or no dog whistling from our Clown in Chief.

I don't understand this. Instead of wishing for the person to be of a certain race, we should try to remove prejudices that perpetuate racial issues in the first place.

Lol that's cute. 



VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, obviously in this economy people are going to do vile things to make a profit. But without guns, how are we even going to be able to defend ourself from an opponent with tanks, all kinds of weaponry, helicopters, etc?

Exactly, why would we want only the state (the institution by which the ruling classes retain their power) to have the means of violence? That is ridiculous. 

The only thing that keeps the U.S from becoming a full blown plutocracy is that the capitalist and political classes fear being personally shot if they explicitly exerted their power through force. 



Hiku said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Thing is, this shouldn't be political ... but you know it's going to go there  

Sad that death has to be political. 

Anyways sad news. 

But it is political when politics allow for a man to easily be able to access over 10 assault rifles, which he was reportedly found with in his hotel room. (Who knows how he got them in there.)
USA refuse to impose strict gun control laws, when it has dramatically decreased these types of events in other countries who have. You can never stop it completely, but USA's gun laws are insane. Suspected terrirists are allowed to buy assault rifles, as was the case with the Miami club shooter. A 13 year old child can leagally buy a gun, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB7MwvqCtlk etc

The gun used in the Sandy Hook shooting cost a a few hundred dollars for the shooter. it costs 32 000 dollars on the black market in Australia.

I realize it's difficult to scale down gun ownership because there are so many guns out there, but if you don't start imposing more stricter gun control laws that are designed to prevent guns from falling into the wrong, or irresponsible hands, the problem will always remain.

Yeah, you are right I guess.



Well you can legally own a fully automatic rifle in the USA even own a minigun as long as it is made before 1987. So even if I don't agree with people owning guns in the first place is it so hard to demand people are not allowed to have semi or fully automated weapons.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar