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StarDoor on 30 September 2017
BraLoD said:
Nautilus said:

I will give you that you are right about the PC statement.Since I am more biased towards console gaming, and thus while I do still believe on what I said simply because thats my preference, PC is still factually better.Should have formulated that part better.For everything else I stand by what i said.You just need to remember that this is my opinion and, since you are obviosly more a PS centric gamer(and biased against Nintendo.Remember your "Nintendo should go third party" thread?), you will not agree with me.As for Nintendo being the best developer in the world, thats simply a "factual" truth.If you go by personal tastes then yeah sure, it depends on what you like and all, but Nintendo keeps getting best GOTY awards through the years, their games keep being reverenced as the best, and not only by their own fanbase, for a reason.Thats in part because Nintendo has a shitton studios that keeps pouring games of different genres, but they are all still Nintendo.And I mean, Nintendo is the oldest videogames company, or at least one of the oldest, that not only develops software but also hardware for a reason.

And also I said they have the best launch year ever.Im sure Im not alone in this, and thats not only in the Nintendo side of things.

As for the rest, sure Mr. Sherlock.

What's factual truth about it? Prove me with those facts, then. Hint: you can't.

And are you for real? Nintendo doesn't have a game that win the most goty awards since what, the gamecube with Metroid Prime? lol.

Also, how am I biased against Nintendo? By the time I had a PlayStation I had already played a good lot of SNES and Gameboy and got a GBA later, plus a 3DS this year, though this last one I sold right after because it was modded, and I'm waiting for the N2DS XL gets a decent pricing here to get it. I may preffer Sony over Nintendo, that I do, but how am I biased against it? The thread you used as an example is an opinion I still support, Nintendo should go third party, the Switch has only made me support it more, actually. An overpriced piece of hardwarehardware with overpriced accessories with artificial demand, yeah, my point of it being bad at making hardware has been greatly supported by it.

As I said there, Nintendo does good software but doesn't has a clue on how to make hardware. People might have been supporting it more than I though, yes they are, but that's too bad, as I can only see Nintendo growing stronger with a full software focus than wasting time and your money as well, by sticking with making hardware as well. You may disagree with me on that, but that doesn't make me biased against it, it makes that, you disagree with me, and that's it.

Right... you say you're not biased against Nintendo while at the same time spouting ignorant nonsense about Switch having artificial demand and being "bad hardware". I guess you just can't comprehend that the market as a whole likes Switch much more than you do.

Now, calling Nintendo the best developer is a matter of taste. However, we can definitely say that more people would call Nintendo the best developer than any other studio:

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=1167&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Name another company that has made 17 games that sold over 20 million copies, and 39 games that sold over 10 million copies.

Of the top ten highest-rated games of all time, Nintendo published half of them. (5 according to Metacritic, 6 according to GameRankings)

You're calling Nautilus biased, but then you deny that you have any bias at all? Ridiculous.



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Bofferbrauer2 on 30 September 2017
BraLoD said:
Yeah, no, really, no.
PC is unmatched in the indie field because it's where most of them are built into, as it's by far the most open platform, as it's not a controlled videogames focused space, but a working tool, at its core.

And the fact the Switch is a newer platform affects greatly the, sorry for the sincerity, very limited vision you are choosing to take here to compare it to the PS4. The PS4 has a fucking lot of quality indie games, the Switch is just now getting some of those games because it didn't exist before, and getting more coverage here about some specific new ones because they seems more relevant to the Switch library than to the PS4 library because of some things as:
This is a Nintendo oriented forums, Nintendo always get more coverage here, the sheer amount of NX threads when it wasn't even a thing was stagering, for example;
The Switch library is still very limited in numbers compared to the PS4, as it's newer, so a new game represents a way bigger share of its library than what it does in the PS4, as 1 in 100 means its 1% of the library by itself and the same 1 game against 1000 represents 0,1%;
The PS4 even being older still has more releases weekly than the Switch, which means an even bigger ratio gap of the significance of a game in a group than before, feel free to open the PS Store from your PC and check the amount of indie games available to be bought there, you'll amazed, really, go and do it;
And by this fact, the Switch onwers can focus more on some selected titles easier than the PS4 owners to gather around and make them relevant, like why does a PS2 port gets so much more presence as a Vita game than it did as a PS2 game (Persona 4), because people gather around a game they find good in few they have to, as on the Vita, meanwhile it once was just another good game in a multitude of good games in such a vastly rich library, as on the PS2, so people attention gets naturally more spread than focused there.

The Switch indie support is still not really even comparable to the PS4, if it'll ever be, and it just won't ever touch the PC in that regard, so again, no, really, no.

While the PS4 still seems to get more releases week by week, the advantage is getting pretty slim on the indie side. Most weeks the PS4 is in front, but it's getting more and more often that the Switch is getting more indie releases in a week.

If you compare lauch-aligned, then the Switch wins so clearly it's basically no contest anymore. For comparision's sake PS4 got 52 game releases between it's launch and end of september in europe. That's exactly the same amount of games released in pal regions for the Switch in August and September alone, and a staggering 113 since it's launch, so more than twice as much games as the PS4 got despite the latter having more AAA support and over 10 month compared to 7 months for the Switch. I didn't check how many of these are indies, but considering the low amount of AAA titles in the Switch library and the fact that it got twice as many releases the results are clear.

Nautilus said:

I should have said that its better than the PS4 in the same timeframe, since its not a "fair" contest if you compare the library the PS4 has built thus far, with the PS4 being almost 4 years old.And while yes, each indie game of higher profile gets a bigger spotlight because of the Switch being a newer console and not having "many" games to market or compete attention with, you could also say that Nintendo is just plain doing a better job at promoting the indies it has than Sony, the same way that Sony gave them a bigger spotlight in the early years of the PS4.

And about the PC side of things, I think it can come close to matching it in the same timeframe.I will admit that on this one Im a bit biased because Im a console gamer, but Nintendo does have some excellent exclusive indies on its machine and makes a case against the PC, even if its a weak one.

About the site being more Nintendo oriented, I dont think thats the case.Again, with the Switch being a newer system, it does get a bigger slice of the attention than the PS4 and XOne, but honestly, the fanbase or at least admiration of Sony and Nintendo here is somewhat even, even if it tends to be a bit more Nintendo oriented.I am a fan of Sony and Nintendo for example.But that doesnt impede me from congratulating Nintendo for doing a splendid work.

PC gets over 100 indie releases each and every month, and that's only counting the commercial ones. There's simply no way a console can catch up to that.



The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

Volterra_90 on 30 September 2017
TallSilhouette said:
Pavolink said:

Yes. A succesful Nintendo console that makes you mad.

It's not the console, brah, it's the users. Case and point.

So tell me one single reason why I'd decide to buy an indie game on my PC, if technical speaking are about the same. Because I can play anywhere those indie games on my Switch, and I travel a lot, so portability makes this choice a no-brainer for me. Just one. I don't think that what I'm doing isn't the logical thing to do.

What's more, Switch addapts itself to my lifestyle way more than my PC/PS4 can do. So I'd also buy downgraded ports of any game which comes to the Switch. If it's stable and works well enough, of course, not a broken port. That's my personal choice, and I'm happy about the Switch sucess because that means that I'll probably get more ports of games I love. People are just salty about its sucess, that's my take on it. Enjoy every platform because of what it is, I prefer to enjoy gaming as a whole, not stuck myself with just one platform for gaming. Though I still think, and I say this becayse I feel it for ages, that Nintendo is the best gaming developer in history, I wouldn't dare to judge the entire Sony/MS fanbase because they actually enjoy their console.



TallSilhouette on 30 September 2017
Volterra_90 said:
TallSilhouette said:

It's not the console, brah, it's the users. Case and point.

So tell me one single reason why I'd decide to buy an indie game on my PC, if technical speaking are about the same. Because I can play anywhere those indie games on my Switch, and I travel a lot, so portability makes this choice a no-brainer for me. Just one. 

Mods, price, choice of input, choice of settings, take your pick. Pretty much every 3D indie game can run better on a gaming PC than a Switch and many 2D ones as well. Whether performance or portability is more important to your enjoyment is up to you, but there are definite advantages to buying said games on other platforms. 



pokoko on 30 September 2017
monocle_layton said:
pokoko said:
Those are some bold claims to make without anything to back them up.

Troll and I can be played on the go with the Switch.

 

case closed

Yeah, I don't really care if it can be played "on the go", though that's not really the point.  There was nothing even approaching a logical analysis.  It was just "I think so because I want it to be true." 

Ah, excuse me, Cuphead, Ruiner, Heat Signature and Hob just came out on PC and they all look really good.

case kicked back open



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Bofferbrauer2 on 30 September 2017
Volterra_90 said:
TallSilhouette said:

It's not the console, brah, it's the users. Case and point.

So tell me one single reason why I'd decide to buy an indie game on my PC, if technical speaking are about the same. Because I can play anywhere those indie games on my Switch, and I travel a lot, so portability makes this choice a no-brainer for me. Just one. I don't think that what I'm doing isn't the logical thing to do.

What's more, Switch addapts itself to my lifestyle way more than my PC/PS4 can do. So I'd also buy downgraded ports of any game which comes to the Switch. If it's stable and works well enough, of course, not a broken port. That's my personal choice, and I'm happy about the Switch sucess because that means that I'll probably get more ports of games I love. People are just salty about its sucess, that's my take on it. Enjoy every platform because of what it is, I prefer to enjoy gaming as a whole, not stuck myself with just one platform for gaming. Though I still think, and I say this becayse I feel it for ages, that Nintendo is the best gaming developer in history, I wouldn't dare to judge the entire Sony/MS fanbase because they actually enjoy their console.

This is depending on the game of course, but some do play better with keyboard and mouse than with controller or joycons. And of course the games are generally cheaper on PC than on Switch.

But yeah, in most cases I would also prefer the Switch version... if I had a Switch already



The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

monocle_layton on 30 September 2017
TallSilhouette said:
Volterra_90 said:

So tell me one single reason why I'd decide to buy an indie game on my PC, if technical speaking are about the same. Because I can play anywhere those indie games on my Switch, and I travel a lot, so portability makes this choice a no-brainer for me. Just one. 

Mods, price, choice of input, choice of settings, take your pick. Pretty much every 3D indie game can run better on a gaming PC than a Switch and many 2D ones as well. Whether performance or portability is more important to your enjoyment is up to you, but there are definite advantages to buying said games on other platforms. 

I'm sure every indie game would run better, but eventually you gotta ask yourself if having Shovel Knight at 8k is better than taking it on the go.

 

Idk what your preferences are, but I think for many indies most people would prefer portability.

pokoko said:
monocle_layton said:

Troll and I can be played on the go with the Switch.

 

case closed

Yeah, I don't really care if it can be played "on the go", though that's not really the point.  There was nothing even approaching a logical analysis.  It was just "I think so because I want it to be true." 

Ah, excuse me, Cuphead, Ruiner, Heat Signature and Hob just came out on PC and they all look really good.

case kicked back open

Ok



DarthMetalliCube on 01 October 2017
Rem87919394 said:
100% incorrect. The amount of indies and good ones at that on PS4 is staggering. This is ultra pro Nintendo place. So most will probably ignore the facts and agree with the OP. Switch does have some decent indies but it'll never be the best system for indies

Hey man, give us a break. We've been starved of games for quite some time, so getting a pretty consistant stream of mostly decent indie games to us seems groundbreaking! Lol

People just have to be Buzz Killingtons and shit on Nintendo fans' parade.

As a side note - how many of those PS4 indies are physical releases, or can be played on the go :P

..Not to mention the PS4 is like 3 years older than the Switch.

As more of an overall commentary to some of the replies (not directed to the person above):

Obviously PC is far far superior when it comes to indies and probably always will be, I think the vast majority can agree with that.

I don't get what's the issue w/ certain people in this thread. Let Nintendo fans have their fun and discuss these things if they want.. What's it to ya? You do know this is a NINTENDO board right? I mean, what exactly did you expect? Obviously if people find a great deal of value in physical releases + portability (like myself) they're going to find the Switch library superior for indies or at least the console with the highest indie potential. If you disagree, fair enough. Live and let live! Ok I'll stop now..



 

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AngryLittleAlchemist on 01 October 2017
BraLoD said:

The Switch is definitely a bad piece of hardware for $300, while it's priced as a good home console. Which also englobes the overprice point I made.

This ladies and gentlemen, this right here folks ... is what happens when you can't possibly comprehend what a hybrid is. 



Lawlight on 01 October 2017
Mnementh said:
Lawlight said:

If you remember, indies flocked to the Vita too and several devs came out and said that games were selling well on it.

Well then, what about WiiU? If your theory about less competition is true, WiiU should've seen similar success.

I think it did, just not in the indie games - Nintendo weren't supporting indies as much but their own games sold very well.