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palou said:
spurgeonryan said:

So we blew up out of nothing trillions of years ago and eventually evolved from iguanas into people?

I think you missed a couple steps there.

"Computer: tap some plastic buttons and millions of people around the world see words appear on their glass board"

 

Anything sounds like bullshit if you reduce it enough. We can distinguish by looking if every single step has some logical explanation/reason behind it.

 

Computers have intelligent design, tho. Logic in itself suggests intelligent design. Everything in this world, when given enough study, can begin to "make sense", except for the origin of existence, which the best science has to offer is "there was nothing, then there was something", only time will tell if a logical answer can come to that question, because the current one certainly isnt.



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numberwang said:
palou said:

Having never read the bible, it's obvious that he was talking about Rome, in the time and place that this was written. 

The book is commonly dated to the end of Domitian at 95 AD so there would be more than 5 fallen emperors.

As said, you don't need any more than the points stated in the OP to determine that the source material was talking about Romans.

 

"1 - One world government under one leader"

 

 That's pretty obvious. In 95 AD, the roman empire is in its final stages of expansion (stabilized at around 117 AD), when their conquests seemed the most neverending. From the (very limited) point of view of someone having grown up in the contempory Jewish culture, Rome DID already conquer most of the world, pretty much all of the land part of local folklore (Egypt, Israel, Mesopotamia, Assyria, etc...) having been assimilated. There is 1 ruler, as it is an empire.

"3 - One single currency for the whole world, mark of the beast"

"4 - One world religion that adores the Beast"

Obvious consequence of the former. Any religion that isn't their own is, of course, satanic.

 

"5- Concentration camps to kill christians"

 

95 AD happens to be in the starting period of the systematic purge  of christians in the empire (the reign of Domitian). Probably not yet wide-spread, but increasing, and a fear that any christian surely must have had at the time

 

"8- Worldwide conflict and war"

Written in Judea, in the middle of the brutally silenced Jewish Revolts (66 - 136 AD) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_wars . One of the biggest bloodbaths the world had seen, at that point (over a million civilians killed by the Romans - notice, Judea only had a population of around 3 million at the time.)

 

 


6- Environment disasters that cause famine"

 

What they were hoping for, I guess. Saved them in Egypt, why not against the Romans, since beating them in combat seems hopeless.

 

"9 - Return of Jesus Christ as a super powerful warrior with supernatural powers"

 

Again, what they were hoping for - a leader to get rid of the Romans. Many historians believe that this was the original expectation that the Jewish people had of Christ when he came to Jerusalem, the anger of the public coming from the dissapointment. 



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Arminillo said:
palou said:

I think you missed a couple steps there.

"Computer: tap some plastic buttons and millions of people around the world see words appear on their glass board"

 

Anything sounds like bullshit if you reduce it enough. We can distinguish by looking if every single step has some logical explanation/reason behind it.

 

Computers have intelligent design, tho. Logic in itself suggests intelligent design. Everything in this world, when given enough study, can begin to "make sense", except for the origin of existence, which the best science has to offer is "there was nothing, then there was something", only time will tell if a logical answer can come to that question, because the current one certainly isnt.

Well, obviously there will be a point in which one cannot answer any further. It's always possible to add another "but why", and we cannot have an infinite series of explanations. The big bang is as far back as Science can accurately bring us, at the moment, that does not invalidate anything they predict from that point onward. 

 

"Logic in itself suggests intelligent design"

 

That's a realm of conclusion I do not think we can begin to look into. What is logic? Simply the acceptance and observance of the rules given by the universe we live in. There is nothing that can inherintly differentiate the way this universe works from any supposedly illogical mechanisms. 



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NATO said:
ResidentToxy said:

Surely you do not believe that a 600 year old man built an ark in the middle of the desert and managed to get two of every animal. Yes this includes penguins. A man in the Middle East gathered penguins. 

Also, there is no evidence that proves that the earth is only 6,000 years old. On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence that proves that the earth is far more older. The oldest fossil discovered is approximately 4.2 billion years old.

On top of this somehow they postponed their natural instinct to be predator and prey for the entire duration too. 

Apologies. That was an oversight on my part ;)
I shall endeavour to point out the logical fallacies contained within religious texts with more diligence in the future.



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zygote said:
Tag. I will return to this... That is my prophecy.

What if you can't? What if you fail? What will become of the prophecy? *my mind descending into chaos*



Arminillo said:
palou said:

I think you missed a couple steps there.

"Computer: tap some plastic buttons and millions of people around the world see words appear on their glass board"

 

Anything sounds like bullshit if you reduce it enough. We can distinguish by looking if every single step has some logical explanation/reason behind it.

 

Computers have intelligent design, tho. Logic in itself suggests intelligent design. Everything in this world, when given enough study, can begin to "make sense", except for the origin of existence, which the best science has to offer is "there was nothing, then there was something", only time will tell if a logical answer can come to that question, because the current one certainly isnt.

Why would it be logical though?

There are theories that say there are 11 possible dimensions. At the moment of the big bang, 4 of them formed our universe (3 space dimensions and time). This means that we can't find a logical answer, since we can't comprehend other dimensons or one of the current ones not existing. If the dimension 'time' didn't exist, there was no 'before' the big bang.



pokoko said:
I mean ... the whole thing is about the Roman Empire.

I'm not really that worried about the Roman Empire.

Aren't you....?