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GProgrammer said:
Yes we can't know the Switch's base level until its fully stocked. I just looked it doesnt seem to be in stock in Japan, though in all the other tracked countries, USA,UK,France,Spain,Italy,Canada,Germany there is plenty of Switch stock roughly at similar levels to the PS4 in those countries

Japan is completely outsold every week from launch, and they are still doing lotires in stores for chance to buy Switch. I dont think that Switch is regularly available like PS4 in any country yet (maybe Austraila and NZ), and US definitely still has stock issues even if it seems they are not so big like before (if you look US availability you'll see that mostly more expensive bundles are available). In any case, it seems that stock situation is improving compared to previous months and that's good because soon we will have Mario Odyssey launch and Holiday season.

 

GhaudePhaede010 said:
Jranation said:
Or maybe someone should know that the Switch is a Home Console not a Handheld. Even Vgchartz agrees with this. 

It first need to sell more than the home console record. Was it PS2? With 13mil?

Switch is a hand held. Ughhhh why do people do this?

Because it's obvious that Switch is not only handheld, its obvious thats a hybrid, its real home console and real handheld in one. Actually Nintendo is marketing Switch like "like a home console you can take with you".



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Soundwave said:

Actually I have no problem saying the Wii was a relative dud in Japan. After a great start it really fizzled out there big time. 10 mill as the best case scenario is "shit" to me. That's a very low baseline. 

So what exactly not a shit baseline for you more than 20M? Care give us a specifics or example? I agree with Farsala your standards is really high when you don't factor all the variables in. When Japan is already taken over by Mobile Gatcha games.

FYI. PS4 is not yet  in its 4th year in Japan in case you didn't know so by the time it reached it's 4th year it could be 6M or higher. 



tbone51 said:
Lawlight said:

Really? Looks like it did less than 70% of Other M's opening.

 

Got a source of those numbers? Also this is a remake metroid game. It did well...

 Neogaf has a post on the first page with the openings.



Kyuu said:
Switch is doing great all things considered, and PS4 decent.

Metroid and Uncharted pretty much bombed as expected, while Dragon Quest dropped like a rock which is painful to see.. terrible legs. Splatoon 2 may considerably decline as well if standard Switch consoles become more available.


P.S: The Switch is only a "hybrid" because it has a homeconsole-like game development and costs. That aside, it's very much a powerful handheld with a little gimmick from a Chinese device. Also in this context, being a hybrid puts it in a better position than if it were a standard portable.

Some guys are trying to pass it off as a "home console" so as to overstate its success, without knowing that the whole hybrid thing makes it even more desirable in Japan than a standard handheld, let alone a home console.

I'm super interested in Switch's future baseline in Japan when the 3DS is no longer supported, Pokemon and Animal Crossing arrive, and the supply issues are no more.

Switch is a hybrid because its fact that you can use it like real home console and like real handheld (it literally gives you full home console experience at home, and full handheld experience on the go), not beacuse "homeconsole-like game development and costs".



Lawlight said:
tbone51 said:

 

Got a source of those numbers? Also this is a remake metroid game. It did well...

 Neogaf has a post on the first page with the openings.

Ok so go and look at it again smh. This game opened better than a couple others and its in line with some of the regular releases. Its also a remake not a new line game. Other M opened up at 44k so your math is wrong too



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Why are we arguing about home vs handheld again. It was settled long ago. Switch is a home console when you need to downplay its power and a handheld when you need to downplay its sales in Japan. End of discussion.



Kyuu said:
Miyamotoo said:

Switch is a hybrid because its fact that you can use it like real home console and like real handheld (it literally gives you full home console experience at home, and full handheld experience on the go), not beacuse "homeconsole-like game development and costs".

Here's a secret.. "Real home console experience" doens't magically pop up when you up your specs!... It's the result of the extra resources, time, and costs that go into game development. Nintendo wants the market and developers to mainly perceive and use the Switch as a portable home console rather than a standard handheld.

Bascially, what really separates the Switch from older handhelds, is Nintendo's direction.. not Switch's design choices or innovations.

It doesnt have anything with specs, fact is that Nintendo made Switch in way that can act like real home console or like real home console, so its hybrid.

What Switch separate from other handhelds is that from start idea is to make device that can be used like real home console, and what Switch separate from other home consoles is that is from start to make devaice that can act like real handheld.



Miyamotoo said:
Kyuu said:

Here's a secret.. "Real home console experience" doens't magically pop up when you up your specs!... It's the result of the extra resources, time, and costs that go into game development. Nintendo wants the market and developers to mainly perceive and use the Switch as a portable home console rather than a standard handheld.

Bascially, what really separates the Switch from older handhelds, is Nintendo's direction.. not Switch's design choices or innovations.

It doesnt have anything with specs, fact is that Nintendo made Switch in way that can act like real home console or like real home console, so its hybrid.

What Switch separate from other handhelds is that from start idea is to make device that can be used like real home console, and what Switch separate from other home consoles is that is from start to make devaice that can act like real handheld.

Home console - All processing is in the docked unit (designed to be played in one locale). See: NES, SNES, Nintedo 64, Gamecube, Wii, Wii U.

Hand held - All processing is in the portable unit. Self reliant. See: Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, DS, 3DS, Switch.

Hybrid -  Computational and/or graphical processing split between both the docked unit and the portable station. See: In gaming, nothing exists yet.

 

Switch is no more a hybrid than Wii U. And in case you forgot, nobody called Wii U a hybrid. One day, a real hybrid will be released and people that call Switch a hybrid will realize Switch is a hand held that can be hooked up, conveniently, to a television. How you play your gaming console does not setermine what the console actually is. I have used about a dozen examples of other, real life items to express my point. This topic is so redundant.



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the_dengle said:

Why are we arguing about home vs handheld again. It was settled long ago. Switch is a home console when you need to downplay its power and a handheld when you need to downplay its sales in Japan. End of discussion.

Well said. I couldn't agree more.

Personally, I use the Switch both ways. No matter how you put it, the Switch is a hybrid console, capable of doing both things.  And I love it because it's very convenient because of my work, which demands a lot of travelling. But when I get home, I plug it on the TV and play as a home console. I don't know what's so hard to understand.



The Switch is a hybrid. What is so difficult to understand about that? It's not one or the other, it's both. I would say it's just very slightly more leaned to the handheld side just due to how small it is, but it is still a hybrid of the two at the end of the day.