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Azuren on 19 September 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
Azuren said:

Never mind all the extenuating circumstances surrounding everything you mentioned, right? Just take it at face value? Cops just shoot and kill people, but those people are never criminals or behaving in a dangerous way around people whose lives are on the line doing their job? Convincing a guy over and over to kill himself every time he backs down isn't fucked?

 

Context matters.

The cops shooting people thing goes both ways. I fully agree that it can be justified since they often are dealing with dangerous circumstances and risking their lives, but that certainly doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticised and held accountable when they do fuck up and shoot someone when the situation in no way justified that level of force.

And convincing someone to kill themselves is fucked up, but it's certainly not worse than a drunk driver killing someone. One directly killed someone through their own stupidity and recklessness, and risked hurting a lot more people as well. The other only indirectly killed one person with no chance of harming others. It's pretty clear to me which is the worse crime there...

Of course criticism is needed. Riots, however, are not.

 

I agree that drunk drivers need to do serious time, but to dismiss what was practically forcing someone to commit suicide because someone else got away with something isn't a very bright idea.



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GhaudePhaede010 on 19 September 2017
TallSilhouette said:
Ka-pi96 said:

It just seems to me like people are trying to justify violence more and more these days

Example?

GhaudePhaede010 said:
 It seems that police killing people in the street is acceptable but taking a knee during the national anthem sparked the most backlash this country has seen since 9/11.

I don't remember multiple citywide riots occuring over taking a knee at a ball game.

That is not why the, "multiple citywide riots happened". The violence itself was not the issue, the lack of JUSTICE FOR THE VIOLENCE is what sparked the riots. Not even inditing police officers is what caused the riots when you know damn well your ass would have been indited is the problem there. Nice spin though.

Semantics aside, you do have a point so I will be more careful when I post emotionally like I did.



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TallSilhouette on 19 September 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
TallSilhouette said:

Example?

Here's the latest one I saw before making this thread... https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=135_1314585645 (thanks Birimbau)

Guy literally attacks an elderly couple because he thinks they called him a racially derogatory term (they didn't). Although even if they had that certainly doesn't justify him attacking them.

Or there's even posts here on VGC that would make good examples, calling for Trump and/or his supporters to be killed or tortured or whatever just because of what they say/think.

I don't think violence is being justified more today than any other period (member all those bullshit wars?), it's just the 'justifications' that are changing.



Aeolus451 on 19 September 2017

I think there's alot of people that lost interest in debate or civil discussion and rather resort to violence to force their agenda forward. There's also people just looking for any excuse to break some skulls. I don't believe that people in general are becoming more violent or have an increased lust for it., it seems to me that it's just out in the open more. People are violent by nature, we just happen to control it well most of the time.



Azuren on 19 September 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
Azuren said:

Of course criticism is needed. Riots, however, are not.

 

I agree that drunk drivers need to do serious time, but to dismiss what was practically forcing someone to commit suicide because someone else got away with something isn't a very bright idea.

Agreed.

Pretty sure I said something like this in the original thread on the suicide, but being a manipulative bitch isn't illegal. Suicide isn't illegal (or at least shouldn't be in places where it is). Assisted suicide shouldn't be illegal. Ethically wrong, yes. But I don't think there should be anything legally wrong with that... and if there is then I think those laws need changing!

I feel if someone backs down multiple times, that they're not suicidal. They're calling out for help.



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GhaudePhaede010 on 19 September 2017
Azuren said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
This topic is one that gets spoken of extremely often in my home. It seems that police killing people in the street is acceptable but taking a knee during the national anthem sparked the most backlash this country has seen since 9/11.

Now, I am not saying we cannot or should not discuss someone taking a knee in protest. But I am saying we should use twice that amount of energy discussing and attempting to eradicate injustice.

A woman just got 15 months in prison for encouraging her boyfriend to kill himself. Meanwhile, a guy that actually ran a woman over and killed her got 22 days in jail and a fine. I would say, society has always had this mentality. When a school shooting happens, people blame art... like seriously, art. Sad, sad state of humanity.

Never mind all the extenuating circumstances surrounding everything you mentioned, right? Just take it at face value? Cops just shoot and kill people, but those people are never criminals or behaving in a dangerous way around people whose lives are on the line doing their job? Convincing a guy over and over to kill himself every time he backs down isn't fucked?

 

Context matters.

I take special exception to this dumb post though.

Never mind the circumstances? I am not saying that everyone should get a pass. I am saying everyone should get it worse. If a person can get 15 months for encouraging suicide (which is another conversation in and of itself) but a person that actually KILLS ANOTHER PERSON gets 26 days, then there is something wrong with the system. Context be damned unless it is self defense. You got this one wrong because you tried to play my ends against the middle.



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TallSilhouette on 19 September 2017
GhaudePhaede010 said:
TallSilhouette said:

I don't remember multiple citywide riots occuring over taking a knee at a ball game.

That is not why the, "multiple citywide riots happened". The violence itself was not the issue, the lack of JUSTICE FOR THE VIOLENCE is what sparked the riots. Not even inditing police officers is what caused the riots when you know damn well your ass would have been indited is the problem there. Nice spin though.

Semantics aside, you do have a point so I will be more careful when I post emotionally like I did.

How am I spinning anything? You said taking a knee during the national anthem sparked more backlash than notable examples of police brutality. I refuted that. Period.



FIT_Gamer on 19 September 2017
TallSilhouette said:
FIT_Gamer said:

https://eji.org/reports/cruel-and-unusual 

"The requested page could not be found."

Just show me a guy who got life in prison for marijuana possession or basic armed robbery without prior convictions exascerbating the sentence.

You can look up the Fate Vincent Winslow case. There are others, but that is the most recent. Also as far a child imprisonment for armed robbery, just google it. You'll get plenty of hits. The U.S. is the only country in the world that give life sentences to children. 



GhaudePhaede010 on 19 September 2017
TallSilhouette said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

That is not why the, "multiple citywide riots happened". The violence itself was not the issue, the lack of JUSTICE FOR THE VIOLENCE is what sparked the riots. Not even inditing police officers is what caused the riots when you know damn well your ass would have been indited is the problem there. Nice spin though.

Semantics aside, you do have a point so I will be more careful when I post emotionally like I did.

How am I spinning anything? You said taking a knee during the national anthem sparked more backlash than notable examples of police brutality. I refuted that. Period.

The police brutality is not what sparked the violence... that would be the semantic. The fact that the violence started after the police were released without being charged was what sparked the violence. You did refute the point, you just missed with your refute unless I decide to ignore why the riots were really happening and just say, "police brutality" as a generalized reason. That would be stretching it a bit. Sure, if the police were not unjustly killing people, none of it would have happened, but the protest were nonviolent and very well organized until the it was announced that these people would be getting away with murder (in some cases) with no consequence. 

However, you are correct as I said. You do have a good point that overall, the acts of police brutality did spark as much if not more backlash. It was just which community the outrage and backlash came from which fucked over my perspective. I made the mistake of posting emotionally and not looking at the whole picture. Which you and another poster did help me to understand.



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TallSilhouette on 19 September 2017
FIT_Gamer said:
TallSilhouette said:

"The requested page could not be found."

Just show me a guy who got life in prison for marijuana possession or basic armed robbery without prior convictions exascerbating the sentence.

You can look up the Fate Vincent Winslow case. There are others, but that is the most recent. Also as far a child imprisonment for armed robbery, just google it. You'll get plenty of hits. The U.S. is the only country in the world that give life sentences to children. 

Winslow had several priors including multiple counts of burglary. I do agree that's excessive and many drug charges are ridiculous, though. Weed needs federal legalization and drug enforcement/legislation in general massively reworked.