largedarryl said: fazz said: Someone is gonna say it anyway: Grand Theft Auto Well you beat me too it.

 Same here ... oh , that and all the clones andmass action games :?

halo

Mature:

Bioshock, Half-life franchise, most good Survival-horror games, Eternal Darkness (good enough it needed to be separated from the others), System Shock, Call of Duty 4, etc.  Any game that uses it's M rating to have mature themes and a deep fleshed-out plot.

As well as the tongue-in-cheek games that go so over-the-top it's humorous like Conker's Bad Furday and No More Heroes

Immature:

Pretty much everything else. Anything that substitutes blood and boobs for actual quality gameplay (God of War) or is filled with beefy testosterone-filled men to get teenage hormones going (Gears of War), and of course GTA...

naznatips said: Pretty much everything else. Anything that substitutes blood and boobs for actual quality gameplay (God of War) or is filled with beefy testosterone-filled men to get teenage hormones going (Gears of War), and of course GTA...

Gears had pretty damned solid gameplay, though. Am I the only one who appreciated the fact that Gears didn't really have a story? I didn't give a rat's ass why I was fighting. It was fun. The controls were spot-on, the enemies were fun, and the cover mechanic kicked ass. That's all I really cared about.

Now if BioShock had tried the same approach, I would probably be bitching about it. I guess it all boils down to what you expect to get from a game. In 95% of games, lack of a story is a good thing IMO. Until most developers stop writing their dialogue and plot synopses on the back of Chuck E Cheese menus in orange crayon, the less "story" I get, the better.

rocketpig said: Not in my opinion. Entertainment is created for very different reasons. If the games aspires to be nothing more than an adrenaline rush and plays with depth and great controls, it's not "immature" per se, it's just going for a different feel. The same way I wouldn't call the original Spider-Man movie immature, I won't call Halo immature. They're both well done entertainment vehicles... They just don't challenge the grey matter too heavily. Nothing wrong with that. I'll take that attitude any day over a game that jumps into a story where the developer shows himself completely incapable of handling properly or intelligently, instead giving us a half-assed story that's insulting to anyone with a brain... I would call that immature much more quickly than something that aspires to be nothing more than good ol' fashioned fun.

But "fun" and "mature" doesn't mean the same thing or count each other out. No, i wouldn't call the Spider-Man movie mature by any means, but it was surprisingly well made and maybe you could call it "good" or atleast "decent" entertainment, but it was immature with it's childish plot. Although, it didn't pretend to be anything else. Now, this is the point where we run into problems, as BK noted, high rating doesn't tell you if the game is mature or not, as in terms the content being for mature taste, it just tells you that the content isn't appropriate for immature people, to who the "mature" games usually are targeted at. Of course, the rating exists only for one reason, which is to indicate to who the content is appropriate to.

bdbdbd said: rocketpig said: Not in my opinion. Entertainment is created for very different reasons. If the games aspires to be nothing more than an adrenaline rush and plays with depth and great controls, it's not "immature" per se, it's just going for a different feel.   The same way I wouldn't call the original Spider-Man movie immature, I won't call Halo immature. They're both well done entertainment vehicles... They just don't challenge the grey matter too heavily. Nothing wrong with that. I'll take that attitude any day over a game that jumps into a story where the developer shows himself completely incapable of handling properly or intelligently, instead giving us a half-assed story that's insulting to anyone with a brain... I would call that immature much more quickly than something that aspires to be nothing more than good ol' fashioned fun.   But "fun" and "mature" doesn't mean the same thing or count each other out. No, i wouldn't call the Spider-Man movie mature by any means, but it was surprisingly well made and maybe you could call it "good" or atleast "decent" entertainment, but it was immature with it's childish plot. Although, it didn't pretend to be anything else. Now, this is the point where we run into problems, as BK noted, high rating doesn't tell you if the game is mature or not, as in terms the content being for mature taste, it just tells you that the content isn't appropriate for immature people, to who the "mature" games usually are targeted at. Of course, the rating exists only for one reason, which is to indicate to who the content is appropriate to.

See, but the OP is kinda contradictory here... He praises the Resident Evil series, which is far from mature by any definition of the word. It's not even well done parody like Conker. The entire game feels as if it was written by a third grader, especially Raccoon City, the Umbrella Corporation, and every villian in the game. They're not even over-the-top in the entertaining way... They're just really shallow.

BenKenobi88 said: This thread is why the current M rating sucks. M does not mean a game is mature. M means you need to be mature to play the game. And while Grand Theft Auto may be considered immature...you should be mature if you're playing a game that kills people, steals cars, has foul language and sexual themes, etc.

 QTF I totally agree.

@ rocketpig i meant the early doom games (when it first debuted)

BenKenobi88 said: BenKenobi88 said: This thread is why the current M rating sucks. M does not mean a game is mature. M means you need to be mature to play the game. And while Grand Theft Auto may be considered immature...you should be mature if you're playing a game that kills people, steals cars, has foul language and sexual themes, etc. QTF I totally agree.

See, my problem with this is that maybe you should be mature for a game like that, but that's not Rockstar's target audience.  Have you seen the GTAIV commercial?  It's nothing but hookers and stuff blowing up.  You can't tell me they aren't targeting teens.  Yes, the themes are "mature" but the game is aimed at kids.

Soldier of Fortune + Postal .. games can't be much more immature than those