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Red4ADevil on 08 April 2008

Thoes you listed i agree it adds the drama to the games. Also God of War uses the gore the right way since thats how violent things were in greece (300 film for example) and Kratos who stop at nothing to take revenge on the gods. I cant think of a game or genre (other then FPS) that uses gore the right way. Doom and the other early shooters really dont have a deep story but dont seem to use the gore as immature as todays games.



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Ajax on 08 April 2008

theme-wise

xenogears is very mature, in the sense that it's plot is literature and strongly philosophical



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rocketpig on 08 April 2008
Red4ADevil said:
Thoes you listed i agree it adds the drama to the games. Also God of War uses the gore the right way since thats how violent things were in greece (300 film for example) and Kratos who stop at nothing to take revenge on the gods. I cant think of a game or genre (other then FPS) that uses gore the right way. Doom and the other early shooters really dont have a deep story but dont seem to use the gore as immature as todays games.

You do realize that everything in Doom exploded into giant chunks of bloody meat upon death, right?

 




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gebx on 08 April 2008

I think Gears got an M on the chainsaw kills alone..



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rocketpig on 08 April 2008
gebx said:
I think Gears got an M on the chainsaw kills alone..

It also had a fair amount of swearing in-game. The chainsaws absolutely guaranteed an M rating, though.

Which is perfectly okay with me. Chainsaw kills are probably the most rewarding aspect of the game, especially in multiplayer. 




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bdbdbd on 08 April 2008
rocketpig said:
De85 said:
I think Bioshock and Mass Effect use it well with the political/moral undertones. Gears and Halo 3 use it poorly as they're just vehicles for kids to shoot each other and insult each other's mothers.

If they're not trying to be anything more than mindless action, there's nothing wrong with M ratings on some games. Halo and Gears are no different than your average R-rated action movie though both are quite well done, something most action movies only dream of achieving.

There are plenty of T&A, blood n guts, shit titles to go after instead of two of the premiere console shooters this generation.


But doesn't the mindless shooting make the game immature? I agree that there's nothing wrong making immature games for immature people as long as they don't pretend to be something else. Brain Training would make a good use of 18+ rating. @Red4ADevil: Really? Interesting thing to say about one of the most sophisticated cultures in "western" history.

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Christhor on 08 April 2008

Wait, the MGS and the DMC series are Mature? Not the rating in my country...



rocketpig on 08 April 2008
bdbdbd said:
rocketpig said:
De85 said:
I think Bioshock and Mass Effect use it well with the political/moral undertones. Gears and Halo 3 use it poorly as they're just vehicles for kids to shoot each other and insult each other's mothers.

If they're not trying to be anything more than mindless action, there's nothing wrong with M ratings on some games. Halo and Gears are no different than your average R-rated action movie though both are quite well done, something most action movies only dream of achieving.

There are plenty of T&A, blood n guts, shit titles to go after instead of two of the premiere console shooters this generation.


 

But doesn't the mindless shooting make the game immature? I agree that there's nothing wrong making immature games for immature people as long as they don't pretend to be something else. Brain Training would make a good use of 18+ rating. @Red4ADevil: Really? Interesting thing to say about one of the most sophisticated cultures in "western" history.

Not in my opinion. Entertainment is created for very different reasons. If the games aspires to be nothing more than an adrenaline rush and plays with depth and great controls, it's not "immature" per se, it's just going for a different feel.

The same way I wouldn't call the original Spider-Man movie immature, I won't call Halo immature. They're both well done entertainment vehicles... They just don't challenge the grey matter too heavily. Nothing wrong with that.

I'll take that attitude any day over a game that jumps into a story where the developer shows himself completely incapable of handling properly or intelligently, instead giving us a half-assed story that's insulting to anyone with a brain... I would call that immature much more quickly than something that aspires to be nothing more than good ol' fashioned fun.




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BenKenobi88 on 08 April 2008

This thread is why the current M rating sucks.

M does not mean a game is mature. M means you need to be mature to play the game.

And while Grand Theft Auto may be considered immature...you should be mature if you're playing a game that kills people, steals cars, has foul language and sexual themes, etc.



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De85 on 08 April 2008
rocketpig said:
De85 said:
I think Bioshock and Mass Effect use it well with the political/moral undertones. Gears and Halo 3 use it poorly as they're just vehicles for kids to shoot each other and insult each other's mothers.

If they're not trying to be anything more than mindless action, there's nothing wrong with M ratings on some games. Halo and Gears are no different than your average R-rated action movie though both are quite well done, something most action movies only dream of achieving.

There are plenty of T&A, blood n guts, shit titles to go after instead of two of the premiere console shooters this generation.


 I'm not saying they're bad titles, or that they're not entertaining, I'm just saying that within the context of the OP they are not mature because of that mindless action.  The majority of those R-rated movies have nothing "mature" about them.  They just include as much gratuitous violence and sex to get people to watch them but without making them think about mature themes.  

 This could easily devolve into a semantics argument, but I guess my original point was that there is a big difference between a mature game and a game that received a mature rating.  I think Bioshock and Mass Effect are in the former category, while Halo and Gears are in the latter.