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rocketpig said:
De85 said:
I think Bioshock and Mass Effect use it well with the political/moral undertones. Gears and Halo 3 use it poorly as they're just vehicles for kids to shoot each other and insult each other's mothers.

If they're not trying to be anything more than mindless action, there's nothing wrong with M ratings on some games. Halo and Gears are no different than your average R-rated action movie though both are quite well done, something most action movies only dream of achieving.

There are plenty of T&A, blood n guts, shit titles to go after instead of two of the premiere console shooters this generation.


 I'm not saying they're bad titles, or that they're not entertaining, I'm just saying that within the context of the OP they are not mature because of that mindless action.  The majority of those R-rated movies have nothing "mature" about them.  They just include as much gratuitous violence and sex to get people to watch them but without making them think about mature themes.  

 This could easily devolve into a semantics argument, but I guess my original point was that there is a big difference between a mature game and a game that received a mature rating.  I think Bioshock and Mass Effect are in the former category, while Halo and Gears are in the latter.