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Arminillo said:
aikohualda said:

it is only a joke it til it happen to them 

We have 30 years of popular music talking about killing cops, it's not like this is a one way street. I dont see how people think its ok to treat police as something other than human.

and we have more than 30 years of history discriminating of colored people in the USA...

musician and cops have different job description and they get payed differently, i do not know what is your taste in music, but i do not think it is ok. I guess this action should be ok with you since musicisian talk about killing cops?



 

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Johnw1104 said:

Well I'm not much concerned with the woman "being worried" given she was drunk driving.

Otherwise, that's an incredibly stupid thing to say, though not surprising. The police feel every bit as under attack as anyone, and one needs only look at any trending story that involves cops on social media to see people expressing unabashed hatred towards the police.

Meanwhile, they're out there every day working one of the highest-stress and most dangerous jobs in a country where any person they approach may be carrying a gun; the many thousands of interactions a day that go well will not be reported, but every time some racist or sadist does something terrible it will be plastered across the internet, with many people coming to view this as being representative of the police force at large.

I have a few relatives that were cops for a time, and they're endlessly stressed about the situation despite not being involved anymore. It's a job that, when done right, is still hugely stressful and risky; when things go wrong, it's potentially deadly. When I think about being asked to confront a dozen or so people a day that either are doing something illegal or appear to be, fully knowing the odds of them carrying a gun are quite high, I can understand how the job not only begins to manifest symptoms akin to PTSD in many officers, but can also engender hostility, hatred, and (in some cases) even racism towards those they're confronting every day.

I got a bit wordy there, but as I love my relatives who were cops and know them to be good people I feel an obligation to offer some defense for them. This guy here said something incredibly stupid out of frustration, but I really think he might need to be fired even if it was a morbid joke to a drunk moron in a car, and at the very least must face a lengthy suspension; when you're in a position of authority you are morally obligated to be the more patient party in any encounter, and you need to know that many actions and words are off-limits to you as you hold real-world power over the people around you.

I don't have any solution for this issue (outside of decriminalizing a number of things and ending the War on Drugs, which seems unlikely)... While social media is great and useful in exposing injustices such as the systematic racism in our policing and such, we as a people have shown ourselves far too immature to make use of this information responsibly. More than anything, social media engenders animosity, hatred, and blanket generalizations, which then leads the attacked party (in this instance the police) to get defensive rather than looking to correct such issues as they would in a calmer environment.

There is one thing that I think would help a good deal, though: the police need a lot more mandatory, paid vacations. It's absurd to treat policing as if it were some conventional job, and these people truly require far more time to rest their minds and get away from the overwhelming stress and anxiety of their daily jobs which, in many ways, requires a combatant's mentality. As things currently stand, we have a police force full of overwhelmed members who are often unknowingly falling victim to their own anxieties and trauma when interacting with others.

This is a great comment.

 

The officer was in the wrong for saying that, but I don't think it merits getting fired. 



VGPolyglot said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Eh, sounds like he was being sarcastic. At most he'll probably be put on paid leave for a week or two; which I'm sure he'll love (getting paid and not working is the dream)

Actually, wouldn't being sarcastic make it worse? Because that'd mean he's just being sarcastic about only shooting blacks (i.e. they shoot non-blacks too), which would make her even more scared

I'm sure she was too drunk to realize that



Kuksenkov said:
Johnw1104 said:

Well I'm not much concerned with the woman "being worried" given she was drunk driving.

Otherwise, that's an incredibly stupid thing to say, though not surprising. The police feel every bit as under attack as anyone, and one needs only look at any trending story that involves cops on social media to see people expressing unabashed hatred towards the police.

Meanwhile, they're out there every day working one of the highest-stress and most dangerous jobs in a country where any person they approach may be carrying a gun; the many thousands of interactions a day that go well will not be reported, but every time some racist or sadist does something terrible it will be plastered across the internet, with many people coming to view this as being representative of the police force at large.

I have a few relatives that were cops for a time, and they're endlessly stressed about the situation despite not being involved anymore. It's a job that, when done right, is still hugely stressful and risky; when things go wrong, it's potentially deadly. When I think about being asked to confront a dozen or so people a day that either are doing something illegal or appear to be, fully knowing the odds of them carrying a gun are quite high, I can understand how the job not only begins to manifest symptoms akin to PTSD in many officers, but can also engender hostility, hatred, and (in some cases) even racism towards those they're confronting every day.

I got a bit wordy there, but as I love my relatives who were cops and know them to be good people I feel an obligation to offer some defense for them. This guy here said something incredibly stupid out of frustration, but I really think he might need to be fired even if it was a morbid joke to a drunk moron in a car, and at the very least must face a lengthy suspension; when you're in a position of authority you are morally obligated to be the more patient party in any encounter, and you need to know that many actions and words are off-limits to you as you hold real-world power over the people around you.

I don't have any solution for this issue (outside of decriminalizing a number of things and ending the War on Drugs, which seems unlikely)... While social media is great and useful in exposing injustices such as the systematic racism in our policing and such, we as a people have shown ourselves far too immature to make use of this information responsibly. More than anything, social media engenders animosity, hatred, and blanket generalizations, which then leads the attacked party (in this instance the police) to get defensive rather than looking to correct such issues as they would in a calmer environment.

There is one thing that I think would help a good deal, though: the police need a lot more mandatory, paid vacations. It's absurd to treat policing as if it were some conventional job, and these people truly require far more time to rest their minds and get away from the overwhelming stress and anxiety of their daily jobs which, in many ways, requires a combatant's mentality. As things currently stand, we have a police force full of overwhelmed members who are often unknowingly falling victim to their own anxieties and trauma when interacting with others.

This is a great comment.

 

The officer was in the wrong for saying that, but I don't think it merits getting fired. 

What exactly does a police officer have to do to get fired? 

Seems to me like they are able to kill civilians and just get a slap on the wrist of "paid leave" and don't even get fired for that. 

Let alone it's the *public* that pays their salaries (last time I checked that includes black people). They are not some private defence force that gets to operate on their own rules above the public interest since it's the public that pays their freaking salaries. They work for the citizens, not the other way around. 

Cops are able to do all types of shit that would get you fired 10 times over in virtually every other job. It's a shame that good cops get thrown in with the bad ones, but the problem is the police rarely get rid of the "bad ones" unless they do something absolutely heinous like get caught planting evidence, and even then sometimes who knows. So they are complicit in the image they create ... this cop included. Any officer should know better than making a careless, stupid comment like this. 



Soundwave said:
Kuksenkov said:

This is a great comment.

 

The officer was in the wrong for saying that, but I don't think it merits getting fired. 

What exactly does a police officer have to do to get fired? 

Seems to me like they are able to kill civilians and just get a slap on the wrist of "paid leave" and don't even get fired for that. 

Let alone it's the *public* that pays their salaries (last time I checked that includes black people). They are not some private defence force that gets to operate on their own rules above the public interest since it's the public that pays their freaking salaries. They work for the citizens, not the other way around. 

Cops are able to do all types of shit that would get you fired 10 times over in virtually every other job. It's a shame that good cops get thrown in with the bad ones, but the problem is the police rarely get rid of the "bad ones" unless they do something absolutely heinous like get caught planting evidence, and even then sometimes who knows. So they are complicit in the image they create ... this cop included. Any officer should know better than making a careless, stupid comment like this. 

Looks like he will be fired so you have your wish.



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Something tells me he was making an inappropriate joke and wasn't being 100% serious.



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Superman4 said:
VGPolyglot said:

There is a legitimate reason to fear police.

And what is that?

In most places, police aren't to be feared, but the american police force is poorly trained (19 weeks, compared to 130 as is standard in Germany) and given much less restriction on their weapon use. The result is fairly obvious:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_countries



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Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

What exactly does a police officer have to do to get fired? 

Seems to me like they are able to kill civilians and just get a slap on the wrist of "paid leave" and don't even get fired for that. 

Let alone it's the *public* that pays their salaries (last time I checked that includes black people). They are not some private defence force that gets to operate on their own rules above the public interest since it's the public that pays their freaking salaries. They work for the citizens, not the other way around. 

Cops are able to do all types of shit that would get you fired 10 times over in virtually every other job. It's a shame that good cops get thrown in with the bad ones, but the problem is the police rarely get rid of the "bad ones" unless they do something absolutely heinous like get caught planting evidence, and even then sometimes who knows. So they are complicit in the image they create ... this cop included. Any officer should know better than making a careless, stupid comment like this. 

Looks like he will be fired so you have your wish.

He should be fired. You would get fired at a McDonalds or Wal-Mart for saying something like this on camera, so why should a cop have free reign to be saying stupid things? Beyond that as a public servant he has a greater responsibility to be a positive force in his community. 

All this does is inflame a situation and make it harder for legitimate good cops ... when bad cops are allowed to stick around it creates mistrust and tarnishes the uniform. Police departments need to realize that and have a zero tolerance policy. If you can't operate at a higher moral standard, then you are not fit for the job. Plain and simple. 



You thought it was a bit distasteful?  It was downright disgusting.



Superman4 said:
Brii said:

I don't think people are denying that the comment was made at least mostly in jest, but it is reflective of a pretty horrific and dissmissive attitude the police have to a group of people they are supposed to protect and serve. Those people already feel targeted and are wary of the police and this only validates a genuine fear that being stopped by a police officer might result in them being killed.

If the comment isn’t being denied as jest than the rest of your statement is clearly BS. Joking doesn’t make anything fact, it doesn’t mean that he won’t protect a black person or even make the same joke to them and change the race " We only kill white people ".  It doesn’t validate a fear, it validates the media portrayal of police violence against black people. 

 

I suppose you are one of those people who believe that the prison system is made up of a majority of black people because police are racist? That they didn’t actually commit whatever crime they are convicted of? 

There are definitely instances where the police act out of fear and kill someone for no reason, it happens to all races. When you look at high crime rate areas though, most of them are inner cities with a higher black population.  Take a city like Chicago, how many murders this week? How many of those murders happened in predominantly black neighborhoods? I suppose it’s some white guy going around killing people in black neighborhoods, or maybe the cops just targeting that area for no reason. I’m not saying that all races don’t commit crime or that all black people are criminals. I do however refuse to dismiss the fact that areas with predominantly black population seem to be areas with the highest crime rates, Baltimore and Chicago for instance.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

 

 

I don't care how many blacks commited how many crimes, it still does not give any cop the right to kill someone because of their skin color alone.  If we're going to hold things against entire races for what they did in the past, then we should lock up every white person right now.