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Nintendo made products during World War II promoting the imperial army, they could have been bombed for doing so, I think they were very close getting to their doom back then.






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This is going to sound really strange, but I believe Nintendo has deliberately contributed to the "Doomed" sentiments of years past.

Of course it's difficult to survive in such an environment, but it's needed in order to not have a consistently downward business cycle.

Culture, specially entertainment works like a pendulum. It zigs and zags and it's very tough to maintain momentum if you're trying to be in top shape 100% of the time.

In the DS/Wii generation Nintendo was in Vogue. But after a few years naturally people were fatigued. This doesn't happen so much with Sony because they're reliant on third party companies, and completely different companies and franchises rise to popularity each single generation. That's not the case with Nintendo.

If Nintendo was to attempt to maintain higher and higher levels of popularity after the Wii, eventually they would crash severely and never come back.

After a time of negativy, now people are beginning to welcome Nintendo into their hearts again.They're not sick of them anymore. Even the dedicated gamer is once again loving and supporting them. That is until the pendullum swings again, and it will. So enjoy the ride.



StarDoor said:
DélioPT said:
Nintendo were never doomed... but they sure were on that road.

1.) Nintendo is developing games based on their IPs, for the first time ever, on iOS and Android. Why? Because the pressure of investors and a failing console was too much for them to handle. So, they gave in.
It wasn't the money in the bank that made investors relax.
That old idea that Nintendo has enough money to develop a few more failures, it's just that, a nice, comforting idea.

2.) Wii U was an absolute failure. 3DS, despite doing respectable numbers, when compared to the likes of DS and GBA, not only does it look bad, it shows that those days are over for Nintendo - bar a new DS/Wii like feature.

3.) Switch might be doing great, but that's not enough to spell success.
For now it's selling on 3/4 system sellers and a really cool concept. But what about a year or two from now?

4.) Also, what if Nintendo never develops a 3DS successor?
All pressure will lie on Switch. And Nintendo is known for failing in the segment.

Every single one of your points is completely illogical.

1.) 3DS sales were up (and are still up) in the period after Nintendo started making mobile games. So, rather than replacing it, mobile has actually improved Nintendo's console business, which is exactly what they stated as the purpose of developing mobile games.

2.) 3DS has sold vastly more first-party software than the GBA. Nintendo would gladly trade 9 million in console sales for 90 million in software sales.

3.) Two years from now, Nintendo will have released a dozen new games. You know, just like every other console that has ever existed. Do you think Nintendo is just going to stop making games after this year or something?

4.) The Switch is a 3DS successor. Nintendo is not known for failing in the handheld market. You're trying to spin this as some sort of negative, when in reality, the Switch benefits greatly from being the only Nintendo console going forward. Now their home-console masterpieces like Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey are on the same platform as their immensely popular handheld IPs like Pokémon and Animal Crossing.

                               

I recall hearing how 3DS HW sales were up. Still, it's also true that GBA sold 81.5 Million consoles in 4+ years and 3DS has sold 67+ million consoles in 6+ years.
SW wise, GBA, despite being on the market far less than 3DS is still ahead (377 m vs 335 m).
Don't understand why you chose to go with 1st party figures.

Overall, 3DS hasn't been able to outdo even the GBA.
As far as i see it, the mobile market has taken it's toll.

I didn't claim that Nintendo will stop making games, what i said is that Switch is selling based on two main points: concept and a few system sellers.
What i questioned, was the ability to sustain the momentum. As in, the concept won't make Switch sell at this rate forever; also, we had a year with a great Zelda, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey (still to come, i know) and MK8. 
That's 4 main franchises in a single year + a system selling concept. This is a momentum that will be hard to beat/match in the coming years.

Switch is not a 3DS successor. If anything, it's a Wii U successor.
Even it's concept is an extension of what Wii U (never) was.

But the point is, you have one console and seeing as Nintendo claimed that they aren't working on a 3DS successor, there's added pressure for Switch for the coming years.



RolStoppable said:
Ali_16x said:

Well I'm not sure about the R&D thing, but if you got evidence go ahead and post it but the thing about mobile is 100%.

Nintendo was nowhere close to being in serious trouble because the 3DS and Wii U only put a minor dent into their cash reserves. Here's a link to Nintendo's corporate website with investor-related information:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/index.html

Mobile has yet to account for a significant amount of Nintendo's revenue and profits.

Regarding Nintendo's stock price, merely looking at an interactive chart that allows you to see the dates on spikes makes it clear that the current level of Nintendo's share price is higher than any spike from mobile announcementes, and the current level is exclusively driven by Switch performance and expectations. The highest share value due to mobile games is $33, the current value is above $40. Even more fascinating is that Nintendo's share price was stable in the $25-26 region from January to early March 2017, but since the launch day of Switch, the price has climbed by $15 or roughly 60%. And unlike the shortlived spikes from mobile, it has been a steady and stable increase in the last six months.

And what exactly am I suppose to do with that link? I mean if you have something, then go ahead and post.

I never said Mobile had anything to do with profits, it had to do with Stock.

And regarding what you had to say for stock price, what? What you said makes absolutely no sense. If you look at any mobile announcements you can see HUGE increases. The ONLY reason the Nintendo stock is so high is BECAUSE of mobile announcements. I mean, if we didn't have those mobile announcements,are you ACTUALLY going to say that it would have been the same price as now, just from the Switch alone?

Oh and we did see increase in Pokemon sales and 3DS sales in the west because of Pokemon Go, so obviously it did impact Nintendo's profits.

 

On a seperate note, all this thread shows is that Sony as a whole is extremely undervalued in the stock market. The PlayStation business is way bigger than Nintendos, and PlayStations digital revenues is bigger than Nintendo as a whole.



"There is only one race, the pathetic begging race"

In a funny way Nintendo themselves has actually kinda mismanaged their smartphone division. By not making Mario free to play and instead trying to force a pay model they kinda cut the legs off of it. Fire Emblem is doing OK, but Fire Emblem has no business out grossing Mario ... Mario is their top IP, Fire Emblem is like maybe no. 13? The Mii app did not take off at all. 

The huge success for Nintendo in smart apps came with Pokemon GO, but that's something they really didn't have much involvement with, it's possible if they had designed the app, they would have screwed it up by putting it behind a pay wall or doing some other weird thing with it.

They were never in any real financial danger, their hardware market was probably in some trouble though. 3DS + Wii U after 5 years would have had maybe 80 million combined in sales ... that's significantly lower than GBA + GCN even (102 million there and GBA only had really 3 1/2 years on the market to itself). 



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Ali_16x said:
RolStoppable said:

Nintendo was nowhere close to being in serious trouble because the 3DS and Wii U only put a minor dent into their cash reserves. Here's a link to Nintendo's corporate website with investor-related information:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/index.html

Mobile has yet to account for a significant amount of Nintendo's revenue and profits.

Regarding Nintendo's stock price, merely looking at an interactive chart that allows you to see the dates on spikes makes it clear that the current level of Nintendo's share price is higher than any spike from mobile announcementes, and the current level is exclusively driven by Switch performance and expectations. The highest share value due to mobile games is $33, the current value is above $40. Even more fascinating is that Nintendo's share price was stable in the $25-26 region from January to early March 2017, but since the launch day of Switch, the price has climbed by $15 or roughly 60%. And unlike the shortlived spikes from mobile, it has been a steady and stable increase in the last six months.

And what exactly am I suppose to do with that link? I mean if you have something, then go ahead and post.

I never said Mobile had anything to do with profits, it had to do with Stock.

And regarding what you had to say for stock price, what? What you said makes absolutely no sense. If you look at any mobile announcements you can see HUGE increases. The ONLY reason the Nintendo stock is so high is BECAUSE of mobile announcements. I mean, if we didn't have those mobile announcements,are you ACTUALLY going to say that it would have been the same price as now, just from the Switch alone?

Oh and we did see increase in Pokemon sales and 3DS sales in the west because of Pokemon Go, so obviously it did impact Nintendo's profits.

 

On a seperate note, all this thread shows is that Sony as a whole is extremely undervalued in the stock market. The PlayStation business is way bigger than Nintendos, and PlayStations digital revenues is bigger than Nintendo as a whole.

On a seperate note, all this thread shows is that Sony as a whole is extremely undervalued in the stock market. The PlayStation business is way bigger than Nintendos, and PlayStations digital revenues is bigger than Nintendo as a whole.

 

Lol,  you really think that after all the evidence to the contrary on this post? Pokemon alone is probably worth more than the entire playstation operation and guess who owns that? Just 1 of several huge IP's owned by Nintendo.



DélioPT said:
Nintendo were never doomed... but they sure were on that road.

Nintendo is developing games based on their IPs, for the first time ever, on iOS and Android. Why? Because the pressure of investors and a failing console was too much for them to handle. So, they gave in.
It wasn't the money in the bank that made investors relax.
That old idea that Nintendo has enough money to develop a few more failures, it's just that, a nice, comforting idea.

Wii U was an absolute failure. 3DS, despite doing respectable numbers, when compared to the likes of DS and GBA, not only does it look bad, it shows that those days are over for Nintendo - bar a new DS/Wii like feature.

Switch might be doing great, but that's not enough to spell success.
For now it's selling on 3/4 system sellers and a really cool concept. But what about a year or two from now?

Also, what if Nintendo never develops a 3DS successor?
All pressure will lie on Switch. And Nintendo is known for failing in the segment.

For now it's selling on 3/4 system sellers and a really cool concept. But what about a year or two from now?

 

1 word. Pokemon!



Peach_buggy said:
DélioPT said:
Nintendo were never doomed... but they sure were on that road.

Nintendo is developing games based on their IPs, for the first time ever, on iOS and Android. Why? Because the pressure of investors and a failing console was too much for them to handle. So, they gave in.
It wasn't the money in the bank that made investors relax.
That old idea that Nintendo has enough money to develop a few more failures, it's just that, a nice, comforting idea.

Wii U was an absolute failure. 3DS, despite doing respectable numbers, when compared to the likes of DS and GBA, not only does it look bad, it shows that those days are over for Nintendo - bar a new DS/Wii like feature.

Switch might be doing great, but that's not enough to spell success.
For now it's selling on 3/4 system sellers and a really cool concept. But what about a year or two from now?

Also, what if Nintendo never develops a 3DS successor?
All pressure will lie on Switch. And Nintendo is known for failing in the segment.

For now it's selling on 3/4 system sellers and a really cool concept. But what about a year or two from now?

 

1 word. Pokemon!

A system seller, yes. But Pokemon hasn't stopped 3DS from doing lower than GBA numbers, for example.



DélioPT said:
                                 

I recall hearing how 3DS HW sales were up. Still, it's also true that GBA sold 81.5 Million consoles in 4+ years and 3DS has sold 67+ million consoles in 6+ years.
SW wise, GBA, despite being on the market far less than 3DS is still ahead (377 m vs 335 m).
Don't understand why you chose to go with 1st party figures.

Overall, 3DS hasn't been able to outdo even the GBA.
As far as i see it, the mobile market has taken it's toll.

I didn't claim that Nintendo will stop making games, what i said is that Switch is selling based on two main points: concept and a few system sellers.
What i questioned, was the ability to sustain the momentum. As in, the concept won't make Switch sell at this rate forever; also, we had a year with a great Zelda, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey (still to come, i know) and MK8. 
That's 4 main franchises in a single year + a system selling concept. This is a momentum that will be hard to beat/match in the coming years.

Switch is not a 3DS successor. If anything, it's a Wii U successor.
Even it's concept is an extension of what Wii U (never) was.

But the point is, you have one console and seeing as Nintendo claimed that they aren't working on a 3DS successor, there's added pressure for Switch for the coming years.

GBA sold in an era of a monopoly with no competition that's the flaw when ever people try to use it as a comparison to the 3DS, the second competition appeared in the form of the PSP it was dropped like a rock with in 3 years and replaced by the DS. 3DS will finish it's life at around 70m or so sales while less than the GBA this is achieved in an era where mobile exists and the was competition and also when development is starting to become like console development unlike back then. The irony here is when you add Vita's sales to the 3DS you'd find more portable units have been sold this gen then back then which indicates mobile hasn't had as much affect on the portable like people claim, these Vita owners have to go somewhere for their portable fix once 3DS and Vita are retired.

Momentum will be maintained by the rest of the main third party titles and the fact that the portable market is now in a monopoly again, Pokemon, Smash, Tomodachi, 2D Mario, Metorid, Zelda Switch, Fire Emblem, Mario RPGs, Animal Crossing etc... The's still a lot of ammo to fire with the entire first party library going to be on one platform in future and because of the portable form it has better third party support especially from the eastern developers.

Switch is a 3DS successor and a Wii U successor anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves like McGregor's fans thinking that he'd win that boxing match, the PR in the west markets it as a console to give it more appeal while the platform itself is handled like the portables. You think Nintendo wouldn't be working on a 3DS successor if the Switch wasn't it? Please.



DélioPT said:
Peach_buggy said:

For now it's selling on 3/4 system sellers and a really cool concept. But what about a year or two from now?

 

1 word. Pokemon!

A system seller, yes. But Pokemon hasn't stopped 3DS from doing lower than GBA numbers, for example.

Your point is that Nintendo won't be able to keep up the momentum with the Switch after releasing 4 big hitters this year. My point is a pokemon mainline game will keep momentum singlehandedly for a whole year if necessary and singlehandedly increase the baseline. After that there are plenty enough big hitters left in Nintendo's locker to keep momentum for another 3 years, then if a slump starts, there's always the possibility of sequelsof their huge games and by that time...  more pokemon! I can see Nintendo themselves managing to keep momentum going for the Switch quite comfortably for 5+ years, or even at the larger end, even possibly 8! Handhelds tend to last longer, so, wynaut?