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Darashiva said:
Xen said:

You are not wrong, but there needs to be an overpowering element of objectivity to a review: otherwise, give a person that only plays FPS a turn-based JRPG, and it might get an unfairly low score, and vice versa... one needs to evaluate objectively, noting their own experiences. While that is not the way JS does it, that IMO is the only fair way.

I've never gotten the feeling that Jim's reviews are unfairly subjective. There's also the fact that since he is essentially an independet critic now, he only reviews the game's he wants to review. So if he has no interest in a particular genre, he most likely won't review game's belonging to it.

-> not unfairly subjective -> 1/10 for Senua -> overly low ratings for some (granted, not very good) games

He is very subjective, that is part of what makes him worth watching.



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Xen said:
Darashiva said:

I've never gotten the feeling that Jim's reviews are unfairly subjective. There's also the fact that since he is essentially an independet critic now, he only reviews the game's he wants to review. So if he has no interest in a particular genre, he most likely won't review game's belonging to it.

-> not unfairly subjective -> 1/10 for Senua -> overly low ratings for some (granted, not very good) games

He is very subjective, that is part of what makes him worth watching.

He is subjective, but not unfairly so as far as I'm concerned. Senua was the exception, and he corrected his mistake himself. 



Darashiva said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Destructoid is a much better site without Jim doing the reviews. Jim is one of those reviewers that will review a game solely on his own opinion of it without considering what others might think. Yes, Jim we know you don't like turn based combat. No, Jim that doesn't make this game a 6/10. It's only a 6/10 for you. There's a whole group of gamers that love turn based combat, and would find this to be an 8/10.

But that's what a review is, a single person's subjective view of a specific game, or at least should be. A review that does not reflect the opinion of its writer seems like a complete waste of time to me.

I don't think that's how a review should be done at all. Imagine an art critic is going over a painting of elepahnts. Personally the art critic thinks that elephants are the ugliest animals on the face of the earth. But the art critic can see that the painting has good balance, lighting, and is painted from an interesting viewing angle. Should the critic give the painting a 4/10 because he doesn't like elephants? Or should he recognize the talent put into the work and give it a higher score? The purpose of a review is to give a recommendation to your audience. 

When a reviewer steps back and asks "How would my peers like this?", instead of "How do I like this?", that's about as close as you can get to being objective in a review. 



Cerebralbore101 said:
Darashiva said:

But that's what a review is, a single person's subjective view of a specific game, or at least should be. A review that does not reflect the opinion of its writer seems like a complete waste of time to me.

I don't think that's how a review should be done at all. Imagine an art critic is going over a painting of elepahnts. Personally the art critic thinks that elephants are the ugliest animals on the face of the earth. But the art critic can see that the painting has good balance, lighting, and is painted from an interesting viewing angle. Should the critic give the painting a 4/10 because he doesn't like elephants? Or should he recognize the talent put into the work and give it a higher score? The purpose of a review is to give a recommendation to your audience. 

When a reviewer steps back and asks "How would my peers like this?", instead of "How do I like this?", that's about as close as you can get to being objective in a review. 

Which is generally why a single critic doesn't review every type of game. Jim doesn't do that either. He has for example hired other people to review certain types of games for his site if he himself doesn't feel confident in reviewing them. Fighting games for example are often reviewed by someone else for him.



Azzanation said:

 

 

You said it. That is why he gave it the score. If he came across a gamebreaking bug he couldnt get through, the game deserves a 1/10 and he is to be praised for coming out and informing his readers about the trap.

And don't bring up the Zelda BS please. He has every right to give it the score he deems right. You don't get to force your opinions on others.

OTBWY said:
Barkley said:
He needs to stop giving scores. He can write entertaining reviews but he's terrible at giving numerical values.

2/10 for Yooka-Laylee?
1/10 for Homefront: The Revolution?
2/10 for Starfox Zero?

These are scores that should be given to truly broken games that are unplayable and have absolutely no potential for fun.


No he won't. He has to draw attention to himself by behaving like a child.

Yes, he is terrible cause he uses the full breadth of the scale instead of giving everything 7+ and making all games ranked as crap unless they score 9+.

Jim is an old school reviewer and he is better than 98% of the other reviewers out there that are too afraid to be honest due to beeing blacklisted by publishers.

I apreciate Jim's honesty and i respect his opinion alot.I don't always agree but when he gives a bad score i know he had good reasons for it and the game is indeed lacking wether i manage to enjoy it regardless or not.



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I can understand giving a low score when you're hit what I understand is a beyond terrible design flaw that made it impossible to progress and that also messed up the only save file. Still, a 1/10 should be given to games that are both broken and so awful to play your brain takes damage.

 

The new score sounds more fair given he enjoyed the game a whole lot up to that point and it's a good thing he manned up and admitted he wasn't being fair. Still, the fact that he completed and submitted a review while in rage mode does hurt his credibility somewhat as it begs the question if other reviews were done like that, and you'll most certainly have people jump on him in the future if he differs too much (or too little) from other reviewers.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Darashiva said:

But that's what a review is, a single person's subjective view of a specific game, or at least should be. A review that does not reflect the opinion of its writer seems like a complete waste of time to me.

I don't think that's how a review should be done at all. Imagine an art critic is going over a painting of elepahnts. Personally the art critic thinks that elephants are the ugliest animals on the face of the earth. But the art critic can see that the painting has good balance, lighting, and is painted from an interesting viewing angle. Should the critic give the painting a 4/10 because he doesn't like elephants? Or should he recognize the talent put into the work and give it a higher score? The purpose of a review is to give a recommendation to your audience. 

When a reviewer steps back and asks "How would my peers like this?", instead of "How do I like this?", that's about as close as you can get to being objective in a review. 

I agree with Darashiva here. Critics and reviewers are valuable because of their expertise and perspective, not because they represent as many demographics as possible. It's up to readers to find the critic or publication that matches their tastes; it's not the critic's responsibility to take others' opinions into consideration. 

If you want a simple summary of the game you can watch a trailer or read a product description. If you want an artful, entertaining analysis of a game based on an individual's subjective tastes, read a review. If a single reviewer hates the games you love, find another reviewer.



WolfpackN64 said:
mysteryman said:

It's hard to understand how one could consider themselves professional yet act like this in the first place. It brings into question other reviews he may have acted similarly with.

I still enjoy Jim's commentary on the industry and his persona, but I now have zero respect for his review scores.

Because most of the time he is. Seriously, other large review networks like IGN or Gamespot have given petty scores in the past. It's unfortunate, but doesn't call into question his professionality.

Yep. And IGN don't fix their mistakes, they cover them up. I remember the controversy around the The Fight review, which is why I stopped going to their site entirely.  

Part of the reason the reviewer gave it a poor score was because he thought the motion tracking was shit.  And he thought it was weird you had to hit Circle to block, instead of just throwing up your arms.  The kicker? That is how you block. Circle is to recalibrate the controls.  So, the whole fight he had been constantly recalibrating the controls.

Now, what did IGN do when people pointed it out? Did they take the review down and make him do it again, this time playing it right? Nope. Just take out that silly little line about hitting Circle to block and keep the rest of the review up, including the part about the poor tracking and the final score given. Then they started erasing comments about him recalibrating the controls.  Never been back since.



Tulipanzo said:
I'm baffled at the idea that he "raged" a 1/10, since if you actually listen to him he is disheartened by this promising game being unplayable after a certain point (i.e. a 1/10 by his own standards).

I do agree giving it that score didn't quite tell the full story, and feel he made the right call by changing it.
This was quite unusual, so, while it could have been handled better, the whole debacle was solved in a matter of hours.

It seems ridicolous to use this review, of all things, to try and get back to him for his Zelda review, which you should really get over already.

Sadly, I think that's exactly it. Some of the same people bashing him for it. And seen more than a few comments say basically, "Oh, so this is as good as Zelda? Yea, whatever."

Can't understand people saying, "How dare you think this game is just good and not damn near perfect. Fuck you to hell."



Darashiva said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Destructoid is a much better site without Jim doing the reviews. Jim is one of those reviewers that will review a game solely on his own opinion of it without considering what others might think. Yes, Jim we know you don't like turn based combat. No, Jim that doesn't make this game a 6/10. It's only a 6/10 for you. There's a whole group of gamers that love turn based combat, and would find this to be an 8/10.

But that's what a review is, a single person's subjective view of a specific game, or at least should be. A review that does not reflect the opinion of its writer seems like a complete waste of time to me.

Yeah, it's important that reviewers give their own opinions instead of trying (and failing) to be "objective". What one reviewer likes another might hate; what some reviewers write off as minor annoyances at worst might be dealbreakers for others. And it's obviously the same with gamers.

I feel like a lot of people have become so obsessed with metacritc scores that they don't (want to) understand the value in personal, subjective reviews.