It's obvious he would care about sales if the forces would be switched.

Im confident the Vita would've been a hit would it have allowed SD cards and pirating games like the PSP.

Cheaper price, more power, more games. PS4 was a better value proposition from day 1. The Xbone didn't even launch in most of Europe until a year later, that's how much they cared about the non-English speaking world. I also disagree about the libraries, in the 1st 2 years it wasn't such a gap it is now, but PS4 was getting tons of games the Xbone wasn't, like FFXIV, War Thunder, Warframe, The Talos Principle, The Witness, Disgaea 5 and other niche Nipponese stuff etc. Add those up and they become a big factor in my purchasing decision. The perception was that greatness is coming (and has arrived) because of all the 1st parties they have and 3rd parties around them.

Sony had like 3 press conferences each year where new shit was getting announced every year. While on Xbone the announcements dried up after prematurely announcing literally their entire line up for the whole generation at E3 2014, and having most of it cancelled in the coming years, fast forward 3 years later their exclusive output has come to a standstill.

All these things combined: games and Sony's efforts in emerging markets, not just the West, has made PS the brand it is.

"Also PS1 and PS2 sold extremely well due to the fact they could play pirated games which obviously helped"

Even with piracy both consoles had billions of official games sold. Another reason is perhaps they had much bigger and better libraries than the competition.

Yeah price is another factor. But the XB1X is more expensive *and* has a vastly inferior library. 

I don't think I've ever heard of anybody buying a PS1, or PS2 because they could pirate games. Can they? How? 

PS4 is more powerful than than the X1 and for the first 2 years the PS4 did not have a library advantage. Price and marketing is what sells consoles. You could have the worst line up in games and a console can still sell well depending on the marketing. 

Also PS1 and PS2 sold extremely well due to the fact they could play pirated games which obviously helped alot compared to the more expensive software selling N64. Free games is a very attractive thing for just about everybody.

This is always a tricky topic.... being that everyone has their own idea of what kinda game appeals to them or not. But if we were simply to go of number of games that scored about 70 on meta critic? Well, in that case I am sorry to inform you that PS4 had a library advantage. Yh I know its shocking, being taht a lot of people said it didn't have any games.

And as to what you say sells consoles? I think you are trying to downplay things here. I personally think that games sells consoles. Price and marketing are good no doubt, but games sells consoles above everything else. 

And lastly, do you know how silly it is coming to a sales website, clicking onto a sales thread only to say people looking for sales numbers care too much? So why are you a member of such a website? Wait, you are here just to laugh at the people that care about sales numbers?............ which do you think is worse?

Considering this is a sales website, it is appropriate for people to want to discuss it.

It's obvious he would care about sales if the forces would be switched.

Im confident the Vita would've been a hit would it have allowed SD cards and pirating games like the PSP.

Cheaper price, more power, more games. PS4 was a better value proposition from day 1. The Xbone didn't even launch in most of Europe until a year later, that's how much they cared about the non-English speaking world. I also disagree about the libraries, in the 1st 2 years it wasn't such a gap it is now, but PS4 was getting tons of games the Xbone wasn't, like FFXIV, War Thunder, Warframe, The Talos Principle, The Witness, Disgaea 5 and other niche Nipponese stuff etc. Add those up and they become a big factor in my purchasing decision. The perception was that greatness is coming (and has arrived) because of all the 1st parties they have and 3rd parties around them.

Sony had like 3 press conferences each year where new shit was getting announced every year. While on Xbone the announcements dried up after prematurely announcing literally their entire line up for the whole generation at E3 2014, and having most of it cancelled in the coming years, fast forward 3 years later their exclusive output has come to a standstill.

All these things combined: games and Sony's efforts in emerging markets, not just the West, has made PS the brand it is.

"Also PS1 and PS2 sold extremely well due to the fact they could play pirated games which obviously helped"

Even with piracy both consoles had billions of official games sold. Another reason is perhaps they had much bigger and better libraries than the competition.

Nope i honestly dont care for sales never did. Even when the 360 was out i couldnt care less. Check my Live account, see that i rarely touch my Xbox haha.

You act as if the X1 had no games of there own. Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Plants vs Zombies, Sunset Overdrive and Tomb Raider just to name afew which were all well recieved. PS4 did have a bigger Indie game scene than the X1. Which looks to have changed now.

Sales are kind of pointless when one system is sold world wide in more countries while the other doesnt or was late to the scene. Talk about handicapping the charts. 

You anwsered your own question here if PS4 was sold in  more countries. That would mean that the PS4 has a much better chance of selling more haha. Its logical.

You act as if the X1 had no games of there own. Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Plants vs Zombies, Sunset Overdrive and Tomb Raider just to name afew which were all well recieved. PS4 did have a bigger Indie game scene than the X1. Which looks to have changed now.

Sales are kind of pointless? I'm not sure what your point is. PS4's lead is pointless because "hurr it sold in more countries"? PS4 destroyed Xbone too in countries it was selling in, starting from Merica lol. Last gen, PS3 came out ~1.5 years later in Europe than the 360, yet it still managed to outsell it. The Xbox brand will never have a comeback like that anywhere.

And the indie scene hasn't changed much, games in the past few weeks like Pyre, Sundered, hell even big titles like Hellblade and Lawbreakers skip Xbone. If you mean their E3 showing, yeah it's sad they resort to moneyhatting indie games to make them timed exclusives, because they cant do that with AAA games anymore.

DR3 is on PC, Titanfall is on PC, plants vs Zombies on PS4 and PC, Tomb Raider on PS4 and PC. The Xbox has like two games on its own - sunset overdrive and halo 5. That's after 4 years on the market. 

Its alright to discuss it. Its more about those who like to call out numbers to justify there purchases. Thats what i find funny so i am glad MS hide there numbers just to shut them up.

I just don't see where you poking at it makes what you're doing any better than the people you're scolding.

Relax mate, there just plastic boxes that play games. One destroying the other in sales? Thats abit extreme to say for silly gaming dont you think. You are talking about multi billion dollar companies. I am sure they are crying. Phil looks so sad that the Xbox isnt outselling the PS4... i mean i thought the main idea for buisness was to make money however there seems to be a fantasy deathmatch going on behind closed doors that only the fans see.. i dont see it.

So was Nier, The Witness and majority of the PS4 games the other poster mentioned are all on PC and Xbox. Probably should read what i am replying too ;)