Forums - Nintendo Discussion - I got a Switch yesterday, now heres my thought on it

BillyBlaze said:
Nautilus said:

The system is not a handheld, its a hybrid.The joycons are what they are because they need to fit that criteria.They need to be flexible enough to be used on the go or at home, hence their design.

But yeah, the alternative he is looking for is the pro controller.It was made in mind for people like him(and me).

Maybe, just maybe I want to use the console in handheld mode too? I mean, I'm paying good money for an underpowered console because it has that feature, so maybe I don't want to use it to play on my TV only, with a controller for an extra 70 bucks.

You don't need to explain to me why the joycons are designed this way, I get that this was the only way to make the whole hybrid concept work. But to me they didn't do a "fantastic job", it's more of an okay compromise. The joycons are inferior to the Wii Motes for multiplayer, in handheld mode the Switch is crampier than the 3DS and for a good home console experience you need to pay extra...

Then the system would not be for you?Dont get me wrong, you can complain, its everyones right, but its not like Nintendo can make a system that everyone will agree with 100% of the decisions made.There will always be people that will love the joycon design, and people like you that wont be a fan of it.As far as we can see, they made the best decision possible for the idea that they had, and it is inevitable that someone would not be pleased along the way.And for those, Nintendo gave an option of a better alternative.What else that you want?Nintendo cant make a system based on the desires of one person alone.

The point I am making is that Nintendo, as any other company, looks at the bigger picture and tries to please them, not the minority.And even being on the expensive side, Nintendo gave an alternative for these minority(you and me).What else do you expect out of a company?



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Nautilus said:
BillyBlaze said:

Maybe, just maybe I want to use the console in handheld mode too? I mean, I'm paying good money for an underpowered console because it has that feature, so maybe I don't want to use it to play on my TV only, with a controller for an extra 70 bucks.

You don't need to explain to me why the joycons are designed this way, I get that this was the only way to make the whole hybrid concept work. But to me they didn't do a "fantastic job", it's more of an okay compromise. The joycons are inferior to the Wii Motes for multiplayer, in handheld mode the Switch is crampier than the 3DS and for a good home console experience you need to pay extra...

Then the system would not be for you?Dont get me wrong, you can complain, its everyones right, but its not like Nintendo can make a system that everyone will agree with 100% of the decisions made.There will always be people that will love the joycon design, and people like you that wont be a fan of it.As far as we can see, they made the best decision possible for the idea that they had, and it is inevitable that someone would not be pleased along the way.And for those, Nintendo gave an option of a better alternative.What else that you want?Nintendo cant make a system based on the desires of one person alone.

The point I am making is that Nintendo, as any other company, looks at the bigger picture and tries to please them, not the minority.And even being on the expensive side, Nintendo gave an alternative for these minority(you and me).What else do you expect out of a company?

Yes, I guess you're right - in its current state the system is not for me. That's why I'm not buying it, although I would really like to play some of the released and upcoming games. But I'm not paying for something that I can't use.

However, my point is that this could be fixed easily. With the Switch's concept of detachable controllers there are so many possibilities to make custom controllers for all kinds of purposes. The only question is if it would be profitable for Nintendo. But with at least 10% of Switch owners complaining about the lack of ergonomy and difficulties to play games like Splatoon 2 in handheld mode, I am pretty confident that "handheld mode only" joycons with more grip, bigger buttons, and a better positioning of the right stick would sell pretty well.



BillyBlaze said:
Nautilus said:

Then the system would not be for you?Dont get me wrong, you can complain, its everyones right, but its not like Nintendo can make a system that everyone will agree with 100% of the decisions made.There will always be people that will love the joycon design, and people like you that wont be a fan of it.As far as we can see, they made the best decision possible for the idea that they had, and it is inevitable that someone would not be pleased along the way.And for those, Nintendo gave an option of a better alternative.What else that you want?Nintendo cant make a system based on the desires of one person alone.

The point I am making is that Nintendo, as any other company, looks at the bigger picture and tries to please them, not the minority.And even being on the expensive side, Nintendo gave an alternative for these minority(you and me).What else do you expect out of a company?

Yes, I guess you're right - in its current state the system is not for me. That's why I'm not buying it, although I would really like to play some of the released and upcoming games. But I'm not paying for something that I can't use.

However, my point is that this could be fixed easily. With the Switch's concept of detachable controllers there are so many possibilities to make custom controllers for all kinds of purposes. The only question is if it would be profitable for Nintendo. But with at least 10% of Switch owners complaining about the lack of ergonomy and difficulties to play games like Splatoon 2 in handheld mode, I am pretty confident that "handheld mode only" joycons with more grip, bigger buttons, and a better positioning of the right stick would sell pretty well.

Oh yeah, definely.And thats certainly something that might be possible to do in the future.The reason that they didnt release a more "robust" joy con as of now is maybe because they wanted to focus on lesser stuff to make the concept easier to sell(as in, less things to promote and make the message simpler to pass on), and could also be because they could find a right design that dosent compromise the "joycon becomes two controllers" idea(but if the Switch keeps on selling as well as it is, I dont think they would have an issue of selling such joycon as an acessory down the road)



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
BillyBlaze said:

Yes, I guess you're right - in its current state the system is not for me. That's why I'm not buying it, although I would really like to play some of the released and upcoming games. But I'm not paying for something that I can't use.

However, my point is that this could be fixed easily. With the Switch's concept of detachable controllers there are so many possibilities to make custom controllers for all kinds of purposes. The only question is if it would be profitable for Nintendo. But with at least 10% of Switch owners complaining about the lack of ergonomy and difficulties to play games like Splatoon 2 in handheld mode, I am pretty confident that "handheld mode only" joycons with more grip, bigger buttons, and a better positioning of the right stick would sell pretty well.

Oh yeah, definely.And thats certainly something that might be possible to do in the future.The reason that they didnt release a more "robust" joy con as of now is maybe because they wanted to focus on lesser stuff to make the concept easier to sell(as in, less things to promote and make the message simpler to pass on), and could also be because they could find a right design that dosent compromise the "joycon becomes two controllers" idea(but if the Switch keeps on selling as well as it is, I dont think they would have an issue of selling such joycon as an acessory down the road)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Makes sense from a marketing perspective.

But there's also a part of me that thinks that Nintendo won't care at all if there are some people who don't like the joycons. They don't really have a history of giving their customers exactly what they want. Maybe it will be an issue for them when it becomes evident that the joycons absolutely don't work for esports (Splatton, Smash), thinking that they also supported the GC controllers on WiiU.



BillyBlaze said:
Nautilus said:

Oh yeah, definely.And thats certainly something that might be possible to do in the future.The reason that they didnt release a more "robust" joy con as of now is maybe because they wanted to focus on lesser stuff to make the concept easier to sell(as in, less things to promote and make the message simpler to pass on), and could also be because they could find a right design that dosent compromise the "joycon becomes two controllers" idea(but if the Switch keeps on selling as well as it is, I dont think they would have an issue of selling such joycon as an acessory down the road)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Makes sense from a marketing perspective.

But there's also a part of me that thinks that Nintendo won't care at all if there are some people who don't like the joycons. They don't really have a history of giving their customers exactly what they want. Maybe it will be an issue for them when it becomes evident that the joycons absolutely don't work for esports (Splatton, Smash), thinking that they also supported the GC controllers on WiiU.

Could be.After all, Nintendo isnt exactly the only company to do that.There is also the point that maybe such an acessory wouldnt sell enough to justify its existence(Nintendo must surely have some sort of internal data that they got from  group tests and such about how many would absolutely need such a joycon).They would be wrong naturally.

Nintendo must also be thinking along the lines that, for those kind of people, the Pro Controller must be enough.Either way, I think its safe to assume that we wont be seeing such design for at least a year.I think Nintendo is more than happy with the sales as it is, and truth be told, they have bigger challenges.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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BillyBlaze said:

Yes, I guess you're right - in its current state the system is not for me. That's why I'm not buying it, although I would really like to play some of the released and upcoming games. But I'm not paying for something that I can't use.

However, my point is that this could be fixed easily. With the Switch's concept of detachable controllers there are so many possibilities to make custom controllers for all kinds of purposes. The only question is if it would be profitable for Nintendo. But with at least 10% of Switch owners complaining about the lack of ergonomy and difficulties to play games like Splatoon 2 in handheld mode, I am pretty confident that "handheld mode only" joycons with more grip, bigger buttons, and a better positioning of the right stick would sell pretty well.

Okay, no one is complaining about Splatoon 2's handheld mode because of anything to do with the joycons. It's because you either have to move the entire screen to aim, or you have to use the inferior twin stick controls.



Nice insight.
Splatoon 2 will get better over time, just like the first game, with the updates, new stages, weapons etc.



StarDoor said:
BillyBlaze said:

Yes, I guess you're right - in its current state the system is not for me. That's why I'm not buying it, although I would really like to play some of the released and upcoming games. But I'm not paying for something that I can't use.

However, my point is that this could be fixed easily. With the Switch's concept of detachable controllers there are so many possibilities to make custom controllers for all kinds of purposes. The only question is if it would be profitable for Nintendo. But with at least 10% of Switch owners complaining about the lack of ergonomy and difficulties to play games like Splatoon 2 in handheld mode, I am pretty confident that "handheld mode only" joycons with more grip, bigger buttons, and a better positioning of the right stick would sell pretty well.

Okay, no one is complaining about Splatoon 2's handheld mode because of anything to do with the joycons. It's because you either have to move the entire screen to aim, or you have to use the inferior twin stick controls.

Even when I aim with motion controls, I still need the right stick to move the camera more quickly. And constantly switching from the ABXY buttons to the right stick and back is really uncomfortable.



StarDoor said:
BillyBlaze said:

Yes, I guess you're right - in its current state the system is not for me. That's why I'm not buying it, although I would really like to play some of the released and upcoming games. But I'm not paying for something that I can't use.

However, my point is that this could be fixed easily. With the Switch's concept of detachable controllers there are so many possibilities to make custom controllers for all kinds of purposes. The only question is if it would be profitable for Nintendo. But with at least 10% of Switch owners complaining about the lack of ergonomy and difficulties to play games like Splatoon 2 in handheld mode, I am pretty confident that "handheld mode only" joycons with more grip, bigger buttons, and a better positioning of the right stick would sell pretty well.

Okay, no one is complaining about Splatoon 2's handheld mode because of anything to do with the joycons. It's because you either have to move the entire screen to aim, or you have to use the inferior twin stick controls.

 

I'm acutally playing splatoon 2 a lot in tabletop mode at the moment and it works well, i'm okay with the handheld not bein g brilliant but it is better if you turn the sensitivy right up to maximum on handheld so you dont have to move it much.



 


Can a mod change the thread title?

It's clearly misleading.