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Amongst all the Microsoft/Sony bickering back and forth, Nintendo's over here like:



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gtotheunit91 said:

Amongst all the Microsoft/Sony bickering back and forth, Nintendo's over here like:

That’s the happiest fucking picture I’ve seen in forever.

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gtotheunit91 said:

Amongst all the Microsoft/Sony bickering back and forth, Nintendo's over here like:

The knock on Nintendo has always been that they focus too much on their first party games, and their third party support is weak. But, that strategy seems to have paid off for them. No matter how much Sony and Microsoft want to gobble up, Nintendo's still gonna have Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. 



JWeinCom said:
gtotheunit91 said:

Amongst all the Microsoft/Sony bickering back and forth, Nintendo's over here like:

The knock on Nintendo has always been that they focus too much on their first party games, and their third party support is weak. But, that strategy seems to have paid off for them. No matter how much Sony and Microsoft want to gobble up, Nintendo's still gonna have Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. 

Actually one of the things I like most about the Switch is that it has a lot of really good third party games; Monster Hunter Rise, Witcher 3, Doom 2016/Eternal, Hellblade, Ori and the Blind Forest/Will of the Wisps, 13 Sentinels, Wolfenstein II, Crash Bandicoot 4, Yooka Laylee and the Impossible Lair, etc.

It may not be on the same level of support as PS or Xbox, but combined with Nintendo's first party output, it's enough to create one of the best libraries of any Nintendo system ever in my opinion.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023. (And over 130 million lifetime)

Mar1217 said:
curl-6 said:

Actually one of the things I like most about the Switch is that it has a lot of really good third party games; Monster Hunter Rise, Witcher 3, Doom 2016/Eternal, Hellblade, Ori and the Blind Forest/Will of the Wisps, 13 Sentinels, Wolfenstein II, Crash Bandicoot 4, Yooka Laylee and the Impossible Lair, etc.

It may not be on the same level of support as PS or Xbox, but combined with Nintendo's first party output, it's enough to create one of the best libraries of any Nintendo system ever in my opinion.

To be honest, part of the 3DS legacy did also transfer to the Switch, not just this but the Indie scene is so strong as well that big Indie names do give the Switch preferential treatment sometimes. As for third party games, the situation is relatively good compared to the previous generations personally. Like we can see all the Japanese publishers giving the console a good and fair since the sales of hardware and software justify the risk

curl-6 said:
JWeinCom said:

The knock on Nintendo has always been that they focus too much on their first party games, and their third party support is weak. But, that strategy seems to have paid off for them. No matter how much Sony and Microsoft want to gobble up, Nintendo's still gonna have Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. 

Actually one of the things I like most about the Switch is that it has a lot of really good third party games; Monster Hunter Rise, Witcher 3, Doom 2016/Eternal, Hellblade, Ori and the Blind Forest/Will of the Wisps, 13 Sentinels, Wolfenstein II, Crash Bandicoot 4, Yooka Laylee and the Impossible Lair, etc.

It may not be on the same level of support as PS or Xbox, but combined with Nintendo's first party output, it's enough to create one of the best libraries of any Nintendo system ever in my opinion.

I think the same response could apply to both of these posts. 

I'm not saying that the third party support for the Switch is bad. It would be hard to deny that it's the best they've had since at least the Gamecube, and possibly since the super Nintendo really. But, that's simply not why most people are buying the Switch. Aside from Monster Hunter, if you took out all of those games you mentioned, do you really think it would have a significant impact on Nintendo's bottom line? I don't. I think it's hard to think of any third party game or franchise you could take away from Switch and it would really have a strong impact on its overall sales.

On the other hand, if you take away Call of Duty from XBox or Playstation, that probably has a significant effect. Same for Call of Duty. If the next GTA ever comes out and is a system exclusive, that changes the landscape. Same for Red Dead, Fifa, likely Elder Scrolls, and maybe a few others. 

For Nintendo, third party support is a bonus. For Sony and Microsoft, it's essential. And that's not always a good thing, but in the current climate, it works out in their favor.



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JWeinCom said:

Mar1217 said:

To be honest, part of the 3DS legacy did also transfer to the Switch, not just this but the Indie scene is so strong as well that big Indie names do give the Switch preferential treatment sometimes. As for third party games, the situation is relatively good compared to the previous generations personally. Like we can see all the Japanese publishers giving the console a good and fair since the sales of hardware and software justify the risk

curl-6 said:

Actually one of the things I like most about the Switch is that it has a lot of really good third party games; Monster Hunter Rise, Witcher 3, Doom 2016/Eternal, Hellblade, Ori and the Blind Forest/Will of the Wisps, 13 Sentinels, Wolfenstein II, Crash Bandicoot 4, Yooka Laylee and the Impossible Lair, etc.

It may not be on the same level of support as PS or Xbox, but combined with Nintendo's first party output, it's enough to create one of the best libraries of any Nintendo system ever in my opinion.

I think the same response could apply to both of these posts. 

I'm not saying that the third party support for the Switch is bad. It would be hard to deny that it's the best they've had since at least the Gamecube, and possibly since the super Nintendo really. But, that's simply not why most people are buying the Switch. Aside from Monster Hunter, if you took out all of those games you mentioned, do you really think it would have a significant impact on Nintendo's bottom line? I don't. I think it's hard to think of any third party game or franchise you could take away from Switch and it would really have a strong impact on its overall sales.

On the other hand, if you take away Call of Duty from XBox or Playstation, that probably has a significant effect. Same for Call of Duty. If the next GTA ever comes out and is a system exclusive, that changes the landscape. Same for Red Dead, Fifa, likely Elder Scrolls, and maybe a few others. 

For Nintendo, third party support is a bonus. For Sony and Microsoft, it's essential. And that's not always a good thing, but in the current climate, it works out in their favor.

Perhaps no single third party IP is essential to Switch, but the combined weight of all its support has definitely had a positive effect on its sales, as they have contributed to its image as a system that has lots of games. First party alone only gets you so far; it couldn't save the Wii U for example.

If third party wasn't needed at all, Nintendo wouldn't have worked so hard to get them back on board this generation.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 07 September 2022

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023. (And over 130 million lifetime)

curl-6 said:
JWeinCom said:

curl-6 said:

Actually one of the things I like most about the Switch is that it has a lot of really good third party games; Monster Hunter Rise, Witcher 3, Doom 2016/Eternal, Hellblade, Ori and the Blind Forest/Will of the Wisps, 13 Sentinels, Wolfenstein II, Crash Bandicoot 4, Yooka Laylee and the Impossible Lair, etc.

It may not be on the same level of support as PS or Xbox, but combined with Nintendo's first party output, it's enough to create one of the best libraries of any Nintendo system ever in my opinion.

I think the same response could apply to both of these posts. 

I'm not saying that the third party support for the Switch is bad. It would be hard to deny that it's the best they've had since at least the Gamecube, and possibly since the super Nintendo really. But, that's simply not why most people are buying the Switch. Aside from Monster Hunter, if you took out all of those games you mentioned, do you really think it would have a significant impact on Nintendo's bottom line? I don't. I think it's hard to think of any third party game or franchise you could take away from Switch and it would really have a strong impact on its overall sales.

On the other hand, if you take away Call of Duty from XBox or Playstation, that probably has a significant effect. Same for Call of Duty. If the next GTA ever comes out and is a system exclusive, that changes the landscape. Same for Red Dead, Fifa, likely Elder Scrolls, and maybe a few others. 

For Nintendo, third party support is a bonus. For Sony and Microsoft, it's essential. And that's not always a good thing, but in the current climate, it works out in their favor.

Perhaps no single third party IP is essential to Switch, but the combined weight of all its support has definitely had a positive effect on its sales, as they have contributed to its image as a system that has lots of games. First party alone only gets you so far; it couldn't save the Wii U for example.

If third party wasn't needed at all, Nintendo wouldn't have worked so hard to get them back on board this generation.

I don't think we could say for sure that first party couldn't save the Wii U. The Wii U had a central selling point that consumers didn't understand or really seem to want. The Wii U's first party support was also much weaker, especially early on. Within its first year Switch had Nintendo Land, Wii Party U, Game and Wario, NSMBU, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Wii Fit U, and Mario and Sonic. Super Mario 3D World just missed the cut off, but we could include it. That's really not a great lineup. Nintendoland and W101 were tragically underrated, but overall these games really weren't doing anything interesting. 

Compare that to the Switch's first year lineup. Breath of the Wild, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Mario Kart 8, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Mario + Rabbits, 1-2 Switch, Super Mario Odyssey, Pokken, and Fire Emblem Warriors. Even accounting for the fact that three of those games were available on the Wii U (which for BOTW isn't really relevant, because it was dead and buried by that point), that's just a much stronger lineup. Breath of the Wild on its own is probably better than the Wii U's first year first party lineup, and I don't think that's an exaggeration.

The Wii U didn't really start to get interesting stuff till the writing was on the wall. Sure Splatoon  and Bayonetta 2 were cool, but at that point were you really going to invest in a system with a clearly bleak future? And it never got things like a mainline Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Kirby, Pokemon, or Metroid. And because Nintendo was no longer supporting a handheld line, you didn't have the same gaps in software that plagued Wii U, even when third party software is taken out of the equation. 

The lack of third party software didn't help Wii U, but I think it was the least of its problems. The overall design of the system, marketing, and its mediocre first party lineup, particularly in the first couple of years, were the biggest problems. Obviously it's impossible to tell, but with Switch level third party support, I still don't see the Wii U hitting 25 million. 

So, I don't think this really takes away from my point. It just shows the downside of Nintendo's strategy. It's more likely that one company is going to have a slump than all the companies in gaming having one at once. Which is probably why Nintendo's system sales seem to have more volatility than Sony or Microsoft. 



JWeinCom said:
curl-6 said:

Perhaps no single third party IP is essential to Switch, but the combined weight of all its support has definitely had a positive effect on its sales, as they have contributed to its image as a system that has lots of games. First party alone only gets you so far; it couldn't save the Wii U for example.

If third party wasn't needed at all, Nintendo wouldn't have worked so hard to get them back on board this generation.

I don't think we could say for sure that first party couldn't save the Wii U. The Wii U had a central selling point that consumers didn't understand or really seem to want. The Wii U's first party support was also much weaker, especially early on. Within its first year Switch had Nintendo Land, Wii Party U, Game and Wario, NSMBU, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Wii Fit U, and Mario and Sonic. Super Mario 3D World just missed the cut off, but we could include it. That's really not a great lineup. Nintendoland and W101 were tragically underrated, but overall these games really weren't doing anything interesting. 

Compare that to the Switch's first year lineup. Breath of the Wild, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Mario Kart 8, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Mario + Rabbits, 1-2 Switch, Super Mario Odyssey, Pokken, and Fire Emblem Warriors. Even accounting for the fact that three of those games were available on the Wii U (which for BOTW isn't really relevant, because it was dead and buried by that point), that's just a much stronger lineup. Breath of the Wild on its own is probably better than the Wii U's first year first party lineup, and I don't think that's an exaggeration.

The Wii U didn't really start to get interesting stuff till the writing was on the wall. Sure Splatoon  and Bayonetta 2 were cool, but at that point were you really going to invest in a system with a clearly bleak future? And it never got things like a mainline Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Kirby, Pokemon, or Metroid. And because Nintendo was no longer supporting a handheld line, you didn't have the same gaps in software that plagued Wii U, even when third party software is taken out of the equation. 

The lack of third party software didn't help Wii U, but I think it was the least of its problems. The overall design of the system, marketing, and its mediocre first party lineup, particularly in the first couple of years, were the biggest problems. Obviously it's impossible to tell, but with Switch level third party support, I still don't see the Wii U hitting 25 million. 

So, I don't think this really takes away from my point. It just shows the downside of Nintendo's strategy. It's more likely that one company is going to have a slump than all the companies in gaming having one at once. Which is probably why Nintendo's system sales seem to have more volatility than Sony or Microsoft. 

I still think removing Switch's third party support would have a significant impact on both Switch sales and Nintendo's bottom line.

Nintendo can only make so many games themselves, the addition of third party support makes the difference between the perception of a system with tons to play, and being seen as a drought-ridden system with few games, and that perception is crucial. Positive image is a huge factor in Switch's appeal.

Nintendo's bottom line would also be affected because third parties actually sell pretty well on Switch, and Nintendo makes a cut from all those sales via royalties.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 08 September 2022

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023. (And over 130 million lifetime)

Persona 5 Royal is only 12.5GB on Switch. Very good compression there.

Last edited by Kakadu18 - on 08 September 2022

curl-6 said:
JWeinCom said:

I don't think we could say for sure that first party couldn't save the Wii U. The Wii U had a central selling point that consumers didn't understand or really seem to want. The Wii U's first party support was also much weaker, especially early on. Within its first year Switch had Nintendo Land, Wii Party U, Game and Wario, NSMBU, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Wii Fit U, and Mario and Sonic. Super Mario 3D World just missed the cut off, but we could include it. That's really not a great lineup. Nintendoland and W101 were tragically underrated, but overall these games really weren't doing anything interesting. 

Compare that to the Switch's first year lineup. Breath of the Wild, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Mario Kart 8, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Mario + Rabbits, 1-2 Switch, Super Mario Odyssey, Pokken, and Fire Emblem Warriors. Even accounting for the fact that three of those games were available on the Wii U (which for BOTW isn't really relevant, because it was dead and buried by that point), that's just a much stronger lineup. Breath of the Wild on its own is probably better than the Wii U's first year first party lineup, and I don't think that's an exaggeration.

The Wii U didn't really start to get interesting stuff till the writing was on the wall. Sure Splatoon  and Bayonetta 2 were cool, but at that point were you really going to invest in a system with a clearly bleak future? And it never got things like a mainline Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Kirby, Pokemon, or Metroid. And because Nintendo was no longer supporting a handheld line, you didn't have the same gaps in software that plagued Wii U, even when third party software is taken out of the equation. 

The lack of third party software didn't help Wii U, but I think it was the least of its problems. The overall design of the system, marketing, and its mediocre first party lineup, particularly in the first couple of years, were the biggest problems. Obviously it's impossible to tell, but with Switch level third party support, I still don't see the Wii U hitting 25 million. 

So, I don't think this really takes away from my point. It just shows the downside of Nintendo's strategy. It's more likely that one company is going to have a slump than all the companies in gaming having one at once. Which is probably why Nintendo's system sales seem to have more volatility than Sony or Microsoft. 

I still think removing Switch's third party support would have a significant impact on both Switch sales and Nintendo's bottom line.

Nintendo can only make so many games themselves, the addition of third party support makes the difference between the perception of a system with tons to play, and being seen as a drought-ridden system with few games, and that perception is crucial. Positive image is a huge factor in Switch's appeal.

Nintendo's bottom line would also be affected because third parties actually sell pretty well on Switch, and Nintendo makes a cut from all those sales via royalties.

All depends on what your definition of significant is.