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Soundwave said:
monocle_layton said:

The man continued the Dakota pipeline, gave rich people a $250k tax break, keeps trying to put his immigration ban in place, and has broken his promise on companies not exporting their jobs offshore.

 

I think I'll continue disliking him, but not because of the media's narrative.

Remember it's only "fake news" if it's negative towards Emperor King Trump. When it's positive news, then it's all real news for Trump. 

The presidency has become a big joke, something right out of a movie, a reality TV con artist has forever soiled any dignity the position had. 

How one can criticize an entire group of people (liberals) and do what they are against boggles my mind. Weren't these people the ones who said we shouldn't make a big deal about reports showing people lynching Obama dummies? I'm pretty sure pure racism is persecution, not criticizism. Poor Donny can't handle being grabbed by the pussy.



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Soundwave said:
LurkerJ said:
You don't have to be pro-Trump to admit that Russia's narrative has been ridiculously dumb.

Not anymore dumb than Hilary's emails. Trump's advisors are loaded with pro-Russian figures, and there is definite evidence they did attempt to influence the election, a full investigation was completely warranted. 

A lot of people forget this

 

Yes, CNN did exaggerate parts of this issue, but it certainly wasn't some liberal conspiracy to take Trump down. 



Look, I'm a Conservative who did vote Trump, but I to an extent cannot watch Fox. Their focus is more of a neoconservative approach similar to Bush, and I utterly hated Bush. That being said, I will give credit to Fox for two things, the fact that they have a fair amount of liberal speakers to present both sides, and the fact they cover a wider array of stories. Again, I don't like them, but odds are if I were forced to watch cable news for 2 hours or be killed, I'd watch Fox.

This is where I tend to get pissed at CNN or MSNBC. I'm always bound to have a distaste for their programming, since their way of covering is different than my values, but that doesn't make up for the utter crap they shove out on airwaves. Censoring speakers from the other side, faking stories for views, and pushing an extreme narrative that only a handful of people in their own party support. It's one thing to make money, but it's another to stray away from facts and try to twist a story to the point of a Yuge lie in order to deceive your base and steal their cash. Unfortunately, their way of reporting is transforming their base into a monster that is a MAJOR turnoff for Independent voters.

If you were to tell me 2 years ago what the Dems had to do to keep the White House, it would be to appeal to the middle working class like they always have. Unfortunately, they went the identity/minority politics way, which is fairly extreme to say the least. After all, Hillary's biggest campaign point was not about ACTUAL politics, but rather putting a woman in the White House. Democrats are in a big bind right now. On one end they can continue down the Socialist/Minority path, but they'll lose ANY support they had in the middle working class, which is a ginormous base. However, if they flipped back to their old style of thinking, they lose the base they're currently building up. Either way, as I see it Democrats are most certainly screwed for the upcoming years.



sethnintendo said:
Locknuts said:
It's pretty hilarious that they finally got caught out. Trump is winning a lot lately.

 

What has he been winning? Republicans can't even pass shit even controlling the house, senate and president. It's probably a good thing though because most republican ideas are complete shit.

He's slowly getting his travel ban through, illegal immigration is way down, biased media (which claims to be impartial) is getting caught out, got rid of Obama's transgender policies for schools, helping veterans, tax payers are now less likely to pay for other people's abortions, left the Paris Climate agreement, got out of the TPP, consumer confidence is higher than it's been in a long time. There's more, but you get the idea.

Trump was voted in on many of these issues and he's getting things done. Politics seems to be a slow, messy business, but he's achieving things faster than most. You wouldn't know about any of this though if you only listen to the MSM. CNN helped to create this hate for Trump and then fed the viewers what they wanted. 93% of Trump coverage on CNN has been negative despite his achievements.



SecondWar said:

I can't see why they would hate him, most of his policies seem to be geared to their benefit. All new outlets have a market they carter for, change that and they lose viewers. Infowars broadcasts weird conspiracy theories, if they started airing somethin else they'd lose their audience.


Or maybe I'm just biased as I'm not American so "America-first" isn't going to win me over.

The mainstream media has completely devastated its own credibility by pushing the Russian narrative so hard.  No rational media organization would do something like this without having evidence.  The MSM is acting like a kamikaze pilot who is willing to kill himself to do even just a bit of damage to his enemy.   The reason for this is simple, the mainstream media is just a pawn in what amounts to be a much larger chess game being played out by multinational monopolies like Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, big banks such as Goldman Sachs, General Electric, etc..

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

Most of the multinational mega-monopolies that run the media are so big now that globalism will basically grant them complete autonomy over a huge segment of the world.  Globalism involves making the nation state obsolete and opening up borders and this allows a multi-national corporation to become exponentially more powerful since they can now undercut local business by utilizing cheap slave labour in poorer parts of the world and achieve economies of scale through mass production and serving many different countries.  At this stage in the game, it isn't about profit, the elites running these companies are interested in political control and dominance. 

Trump is a nationalist who wants to strengthen America's borders which effectively puts up barriers against globalism.  Even if Trump's boost to the stock market helps companies like Goldman Sachs inside the US, his America-first agenda severely harms their much larger global aspirations for international control and influence.

So yes, the media benefits hugely from Trump, both from his business-friendly policies as well as the headlines that he creates.  That said, the mainstream media still hates his guts because they are nothing more than a pawn for the globalists.  The ambitions of the globalists go far beyond just turning a profit with their US-owned companies, they want global governance and dominance such as they would have had with Hillary Clinton who was completely bought off by big corporate donors (if you don't believe me, look at her top donors).  Trump is a huge threat to the globalists because not only can he not be controlled by them, he has openly set the stage to fight against globalism which is the very framework for dominance that they are trying to create.



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Scoobes said:

Errr... the job of industrial scientists is to turn science into commercial products and that includes environmental science and renewable tech. The renewables industry is growing internationally as the tech improves so if he really was pro-industrialization he should be supporting the rapidly growing industry. There is no deindustrializing, simply a transition to a different model.

Trump pretty much is pro-industrialization since he promotes domestic manufacturing and extracting traditional fuel sources ... 

Renewables as an industry ? Haha, hardly since they only accounted for 10.2% of energy production last year and that figure also includes biomass too not all of which are carbon neutral either so environmentalists can't have both the cake and eat it ... 

Cutting ourselves off from fossil fuels pretty much means deindustrialization since there are more uses to it than as just an energy source. Fertilizers, international transportation, militaries, polymers, liquid products based petrochemicals, refrigerants and the many other good stuff that rely on crude oil that does not have an alternative that one could easily substitute ... 

Growth ? That depends ... 

Hydroelectric ? Nope, growth for that energy source has reached it's peak since we could dam every river we could get ... 

Geothermal ? Reservoirs are far away from the population so there's no future to be had for this source of energy as it can not hope to truly hope to meet our energy demands so it's just a bonus if we can have it since it's production is just a drop in the bucket compared to other sources of energy ... 

Solar ? Battery technology limits it's potential and we probably can't do much better than lithium-ion batteries (physics won't allow us to take it much further) ... 

Wind ? Only a few states could expect to successfully transition to such a source of energy. How is every other state such as California, Florida, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and North Carolina supposed to achieve the same independence ? 

Biomass ? Only 15% of our land is considered 'arable' so we can't expect that energy source to grow forever to be competitive with fossil fuels in terms of capacity ... 



vivster said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

Interesting - could you please post links to some sources where I can read about the details of those "proven facts"?

We have oficial statements from the FBI and CIA and we have a testimony under oath from an FBI employee. And we have the fact that investigations because of the aftermath of it are happening.

I was asking for actual links to "sources where I can read about the details of those "proven facts"". Instead, you just mention vague statements and some testimony from a single person, without even mentioning what exactly those statements and testimonies are claiming or proving.

And I hope you are aware that the very fact that there is an investigation proves nothing at all - there are investigations all of the time, until the investigation is completed and an official final report with actual proofs is released, that proves nothing.

Sorry, what you've mentioned is simply far from being any actual proof - instead, I consider it exactly what I earlier called the usual vague kind of "stuff that, when repeated over and over, will make the audience subconsciously assume that there must be some truth to those stories, even though no evidence whatsoever has ever been presented."

I'm asking you again to give me links so some actual sources.

vivster said:

Of course you can call all of those people liars because you will never see internal documents of it but then it becomes a simple math problem.

Do you believe the people who have very high stakes in this who are always lying and deflecting or do you believe 2 impartial government agencies who have no stake in it and are just doing their job.

Hell, no - I already noticed you and other Trump-haters love calling this and that "lies" and "liars", but personally I try to avoid using those words, because it's shady to call something a lie. A false statement isn't a lie, it's only a lie if the person uttering it is perfectly aware that it's not the truth. But very often, maybe even in the majority of cases, the person uttering a false statement actually believes it to be correct. Claiming that someone is a "liar" or something is a "lie" is claiming that you can read the person's mind. Serious sources trying to be as objective as possible therefor avoid using these words.

Besides, it would be ridiculous to call these people liars without even knowing what exactly they actually said. Which I do not know, because you were extremely vague and didn't provide any links to sources...

@all: A new video has surfaced, in which yet another guy from CNN suggest that the russia narrative is bullshit, calling it a "big nothing burger"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2G360HrSAs



Sure It's mostly bullcrap...yup sure is..never mind this:
Trump Mobster Ties 3

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/story-fbi-wiretap-russians-trump-tower/story%3Fid%3D46266198

Trump Tower was infact wire tapped by the FBI because Russian mobsters set up a money laundering enterprise right in Trump Tower not more than three floors below Trumps very own floor and were under surveillance for two + years by the FBI......

Now read this :

http://whowhatwhy.org/2017/03/27/fbi-cant-tell-trump-russia/

🔍Felix Sater fits all of these categories. A convicted felon, Sater worked in Trump Tower, made business deals with Donald Trump through Sater’s real estate firm, Bayrock, cooperated with the FBI and CIA and was subsequently protected by the DOJ from paying for his crimes. And the Moscow-born immigrant remains deeply linked to Russia and Ukraine.🔌

Let's see in Trump Tower not more than three floors had a Russian mobsters running an illegal money laundering and betting enterprise right in Trump Tower...

Trump Mob Ties #4

Oren Dorell, USA TODAY

2 months ago

To expand his real estate developments over the years, Donald Trump, his company and partners repeatedly turned to wealthy Russians and oligarchs from former Soviet republics — several allegedly connected to organized crime, according to a USA TODAY review of court cases, government and legal documents and an interview with a former federal prosecutor.

🔍The president and his companies have been linked to at least 10 wealthy former Soviet businessmen with alleged ties to criminal organizations or money laundering.

🔍Among them:

⚫ A former mayor from Kazakhstan was accused in a federal lawsuit filed in Los Angeles in 2014 of hiding millions of dollars looted from his city, some of which was spent on three Trump SoHo units.

• A member of the firm that developed the Trump SoHo Hotel in New York is a twice-convicted felon who spent a year in prison for stabbing a man and later scouted for Trump investments in Russia.

•  An investor in the SoHo project was accused by Belgian authorities in 2011 in a $55 million money-laundering scheme.

🔍• Three owners of Trump condos in Florida and Manhattan were accused in federal indictments of belonging to a Russian-American organized crime group and working for a major international crime boss based in Russia.

•  A Ukrainian owner of two Trump condos in Florida was indicted in a money-laundering scheme involving a former prime minister of Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/98321252/

Trump Mob Ties #5

⚫ Trump's Russian connections are of heightened interest because of an FBI investigation into possible collusion between Trump's presidential campaign and Russian operatives to interfere in last fall's election. What’s more, Trump and his companies have had business dealings with Russians that go back decades, raising questions about whether his policies would be influenced by business considerations.

⚫ Trump told reporters in February: "I have no dealings with Russia. I have no deals that could happen in Russia, because we’ve stayed away. And I have no loans with Russia. I have no loans with Russia at all."

⚫ Yet in 2013, after Trump addressed potential investors in Moscow, he bragged to Real Estate Weekly about his access to Russia's rich and powerful. “I have a great relationship with many Russians, and almost all of the oligarchs were in the room,” Trump said, referring to Russians who made fortunes when former Soviet state enterprises were sold to private investors.

Five years earlier, Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. told Russian media while in Moscow  that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets" in places like Dubai and Trump SoHo and elsewhere in New York.

🔍New York City real estate broker Dolly Lenz told USA TODAY she sold about 65 condos in Trump World at 845 U.N. Plaza in Manhattan to Russian investors, many of whom sought personal meetings with Trump for his business expertise.

⚫ “I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States,” Lenz said. “They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” Many of those meetings happened in Trump's office at Trump Tower or at sales events, Lenz said.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/98321252/



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Mafia Ties   

Where and when: New York and Atlantic City, 1970s- ?

Trump has been linked to the mafia many times over the years, with varying degrees of closeness. Many of the connections seem to be the sorts of interactions with mobsters that were inevitable for a guy in the construction and casino businesses at the time. For example, organized crime controlled the 1980s New York City concrete business, so that anyone building in the city likely brushed up against it. While Trump has portrayed himself as an unwitting participant, not everyone agrees. There have been a string of other allegations, too, many reported by investigative journalist Wayne Barrett. Cohn, Trump’s lawyer, also represented the Genovese crime family boss Tony Salerno. Barrett also reported a series of transactions involving organized crime, and alleged that Trump paid twice market rate to a mob figure for the land under Trump Plaza in Atlantic City. Michael Isikoff has also reported that Trump was close to Robert LiButti, an associate of John Gotti, inviting him on his yacht and helicopter. In one case, Trump’s company bought LiButti nine luxury cars.

👉Four times in his career, Trump’s companies have entered bankruptcy.

In the late 1980s, after insisting that his major qualification to build a new casino in Atlantic City was that he wouldn’t need to use junk bonds, Trump used junk bonds to build Trump Taj Mahal. He built the casino, but couldn’t keep up with interest payments, so his company declared bankruptcy in 1991. He had to sell his yacht, his airline, and half his ownership in the casino.A year later, another of Trump’s Atlantic City casinos, the Trump Plaza, went bust after losing more than $550 million. Trump gave up his stake but otherwise insulated himself personally from losses, and managed to keep his CEO title, even though he surrendered any salary or role in day-to-day operations. By the time all was said and done, he had some $900 million in personal debt.Trump bounced back over the following decade, but by 2004, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts was $1.8 billion in debt. The company filed for bankruptcy and emerged as Trump Entertainment Resorts. Trump himself was the chairman of the new company, but he no longer had a controlling stake in it.Five years later, after the real-estate collapse, Trump Entertainment Resorts once again went bankrupt. Trump resigned from the board, but the company retained his name. In 2014, he successfully sued to take his name off the company and its casinos—one of which had already closed, and the other of which was near closing.

👉The Undocumented Polish Workers   

Where and when: New York City, 1980

 In order to construct his signature Trump Tower, the builder first had to demolish the Bonwit Teller store, an architecturally beloved Art Deco edifice. The work had to be done fast, and so managers hired 200 undocumented Polish workers to tear it down, paying them substandard wages for backbreaking work—$5 per hour, when they were paid at all. The workers didn’t wear hard hats and often slept at the site. When the workers complained about their back pay, they were allegedly threatened with deportation. Trump said he was unaware that illegal immigrants were working at the site.

In 1991, a federal judge found Trump and other defendants guilty of conspiring to avoid paying union pension and welfare contributions for the workers. The decision was appealed, with partial victories for both sides, and ultimately settled privately in 1999. In a February GOP debate, Marco Rubio brought up the story to accuse Trump of hypocrisy in his stance on illegal immigration. Meanwhile, Massimo Calabresi shows that testimony under oath shows Trump was aware of illegal immigrants being employed there.

👉Breaking Casino Rules   

Where and when: New York and New Jersey, various

Trump has been repeatedly fined for breaking rules related to his operation of casinos. In 1990, with Trump Taj Mahal in trouble, Trump’s father Fred strolled in and bought 700 chips worth a total of $3.5 million. The purchase helped the casino pay debt that was due, but because Fred Trump had no plans to gamble, the New Jersey gaming commission ruled that it was a loan that violated operating rules. Trump paid a $30,000 fine; in the end, the loan didn’t prevent a bankruptcy the following year. As noted above, New Jersey also fined Trump $200,000 for arranging to keep black employees away from mafioso Robert LiButti’s gambling table. In 1991, the Casino Control Commission fined Trump’s company another $450,000 for buying LiButti nine luxury cars. And in 2000, Trump was fined $250,000 for breaking New York state law in lobbying to prevent an Indian casino from opening in the Catskills, for fear it would compete against his Atlantic City casinos.
Trump admitted no wrongdoing in the New York case. (He’s now out of the casino business.)



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Mafia Ties part 2

👉In 1986, Trump decided he wanted to expand his casino empire in Atlantic City. His plan was to mount a hostile takeover of two casino companies, Holiday and Bally. Trump started buying up stock in the companies with an eye toward gaining control. But Bally realized what was going on and sued him for antitrust violations. “Trump hopes to wrest control of Bally from its public shareholders without paying them the control premium they otherwise could command had they been adequately informed of Trump's intentions,” the company argued.

 Trump gave up the attempt in 1987, but the Federal Trade Commission fined him $750,000 for failing to disclose his purchases of stock in the two companies, which exceeded minimum disclosure levels.

👉Refusing to Pay Workers and Contractors

Where and when: various, 1980s-present

Contractors, waiters, dishwashers, and plumbers who have worked at Trump projects say that his company stiffed them for work, refusing to pay for services rendered. USA Today did a lengthy review, finding that some of those contracts were for hundreds of thousands of dollars, many owed to small businesses that failed or struggled to continue because of unpaid bills. (Trump was also found to have improperly withheld compensation in the undocumented Polish worker controversy.)

 Trump has offered various excuses, including shoddy workmanship, but the scale of the problem—hundreds of allegations—makes that hard to credit. In some cases, even the lawyers Trump has hired to defend him have sued him for failing to pony up their fees. In one lawsuit, a Trump employee admitted in court that a painter was stiffed because managers determined they had “already paid enough.” The cases are damaging because they show Trump not driving a hard bargain with other businesses, but harming ordinary, hard-working Americans. More recently, several contractors filed $5 million in liens against Trump’s new hotel in Washington, alleging he has not paid them for services rendered.

The New York Times reported that the Turkish citizen allegedly operated a criminal empire based in a Donald Trump building located in Istanbul. Court papers said the defense is going for a “diplomatic” resolution to the case, meaning it wants all charges dropped, according to Salon



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