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flashfire926 said:
potato_hamster said:

Maybe if you're going to ask if someone read what was written you should do so yourself. Great job.

Maybe you can chill, because your reply happened while I was typing mine. No need for hostility.

But it's actually addressed in my original pitch that you clearly didn't read. I just returned what you served my way.



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Pyro as Bill said:
Combo packs now?

What happened to ...."You. You'll buy a portable Switch and rebuy half your Switch games for it. Heck you already bought a semi-portable Wii U and have or will re-buy half of your Wii U games for it in some form or another, so what's the difference?"

Yeah, it's an option. Kinda like how Some developers sold PS3/PS4/Vita copies of the game all together in one package, but some chose to sell all of those copies seperately.  If developers choose to sell the copies seperately, you'll still happily buy to copies.



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potato_hamster said:
Pyro as Bill said:
Combo packs now?

What happened to ...."You. You'll buy a portable Switch and rebuy half your Switch games for it. Heck you already bought a semi-portable Wii U and have or will re-buy half of your Wii U games for it in some form or another, so what's the difference?"

Yeah, it's an option. Kinda like how Some developers sold PS3/PS4/Vita copies of the game all together in one package, but some chose to sell all of those copies seperately.  If developers choose to sell the copies seperately, you'll still happily buy to copies.

I have a 720p portable version of MK8D and a 1080p home version and you think I'll buy an extra 540p portable version for my new non-Switch portable? Lol, why?

Your whole argument is Nintendo fans are dumb enough to buy the 'same' game multiple times, therefore greedy Nintendo should take advantage of this by making a non-switch portable. Now you're talking about combo packs where you get both versions which nullifies your own dumb argument.



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potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Like I wrote, 1,2 Switch is only game that requires to use Joy Cons separate, all other games would works same on base Switch and Switch Mini/Pocket that would have built in controls.

They are no need for any confusion, base Switch, bigger package and much more expensive, it can be used like home console and handheld, Switch Mini/Pocket (or whatever name) that is much smaller, smaller package and much cheaper (around $100), just for handheld play. Don't forget, 2DS dont supports 3D like 3DS, and base 3DS dont support some games that are supported only buy New 3DS.

There are plenty possibilities, but what I wrote is most logical and most likely scenario that Nintendo will do. Also good posibilite is later for Switch XL or PRO, more expensive Switch, with bigger 1080p screen that will run games in portable mode same like is currently running them in docked mode.

1, 2 Switch is not the only game that requires the use of joycons. But even if it was, the system is only three months old, there could be dozens of games that require joycon use released over the next few years. Also, Nintendo has never in its history released a new model that had lesser game compatibility (not counting backwards compatibility) than the model before it, and now it's more reasonable to expect them to do this than release a successor to a console that's sold around 70 million units world wide?

And fantastic backpeddaling there. There's a huge gap between "most logical and most likely" and "just as likely to not happen as it is for Nintendo to stop selling the Switch next year". But hey,  at least it appears you're admitting that Nintendo's future is not as obvious as you pretended it to be.

You are free to name other games that requires two separate Joycons in sense 1, 2 Switch is doing, that wouldn't work with built in controls. System is 3, 4 months old and has around 70 games released (including Indies) and only one game is doing what 1, 2 Switch is doing, and actually we have one game that could be played just in handheld mode. ARMS is one of most heavily motion controlled game Nintendo ever release but also have option to play it without motion controls. Like wrote, Nintendo already done similar thing with New 3DS and DSi, where some game could not be played on base 3DS or DS. Nintendo never before released hybrid console, or never before did not merged their home console and handheld divisions, so saying that Nintendo never done something like that before is very weak argument because with Switch they are obviously doing plenty of things they never didnt done before. Buy time Switch Mini/Pocket is out Switch platform will already have plenty of great games, few games like 1, 2 Switch that wouldn't work on Switch Mini/Pocket dont change when 99% games will work, same like few games won't be working in docked mode.

No isn't, I stand behind what I wrote, most logical and most likely, or even almost certain.

 

 

Conina said:
potato_hamster said:

Yeah, I'm sure they would have a grand time trying to explain to consumers that "these Switch games only work with these type of Switches and these other Switch games only work with these other kinds of Switches" makes a lot of sense. Sounds a lot like what happened with the Wii/Wii U confusion, and that didn't go over well

How about instead they make a seperate platform, avoid that confusion altogether,
give developers more options, and offer full 3DS/DS backwards compatibility in the process?

And for clarity, I'm not saying this is what I believe Nintendo should do, I'm just saying it's a reasonable possibility that shouldn't be dismissed.

That's a great plan! Instead of offering a Switch mini that can play 98% - 99% of the Switch catalog without accessories (and 100% if you buy a pair of joy-cons) make a separate platform and split up development teams again!

Basically.



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Pyro as Bill said:
potato_hamster said:

Yeah, it's an option. Kinda like how Some developers sold PS3/PS4/Vita copies of the game all together in one package, but some chose to sell all of those copies seperately.  If developers choose to sell the copies seperately, you'll still happily buy to copies.

I have a 720p portable version of MK8D and a 1080p home version and you think I'll buy an extra 540p portable version for my new non-Switch portable? Lol, why?

Your whole argument is Nintendo fans are dumb enough to buy the 'same' game multiple times, therefore greedy Nintendo should take advantage of this by making a non-switch portable. Now you're talking about combo packs where you get both versions which nullifies your own dumb argument.

Do(did) you also own a 1080p home version for your Wii U? I bet you did! Imagine what that means.... hmm... it's like you bought multiple copies of the same game. But that's besides the point. I said that knowing their hardcore userbase will buy multiple copies of the same game was one of many reasons why Nintendo might do it. It's certainly not the only reason, nor the main reason to make a 3DS successor, and I've never said it was. But let's keep the straw man train rolling! Choo Choo!


Soundwave, I wish this thread just was everyone arguing against me. this whole thread is essentially everyone arguing against things they either thought I said but never, or arguing against hyperbolic versions of my arguments they've created in their minds. 80% of the things people claim I said in this thread has never been said by me.



Miyamotoo said:
Conina said:

That's a great plan! Instead of offering a Switch mini that can play 98% - 99% of the Switch catalog without accessories (and 100% if you buy a pair of joy-cons) make a separate platform and split up development teams again!

Basically.

Reading. Comprehension. Is. Not. Your. Forte. I addressed this in the original pitch, and multiple people are acting like I haven't. Why am I not surprised?




potato_hamster said:
Pyro as Bill said:

I have a 720p portable version of MK8D and a 1080p home version and you think I'll buy an extra 540p portable version for my new non-Switch portable? Lol, why?

Your whole argument is Nintendo fans are dumb enough to buy the 'same' game multiple times, therefore greedy Nintendo should take advantage of this by making a non-switch portable. Now you're talking about combo packs where you get both versions which nullifies your own dumb argument.

Do(did) you also own a 1080p home version for your Wii U? I bet you did! Imagine what that means.... hmm... it's like you bought multiple copies of the same game. But that's besides the point. I said that knowing their hardcore userbase will buy multiple copies of the same game was one of many reasons why Nintendo might do it. It's certainly not the only reason, nor the main reason to make a 3DS successor, and I've never said it was. But let's keep the straw man train rolling! Choo Choo!


Soundwave, I wish this thread just was everyone arguing against me. this whole thread is essentially everyone arguing against things they either thought I said but never, or arguing against hyperbolic versions of my arguments they've created in their minds. 80% of the things people claim I said in this thread has never been said by me.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe wasn't on the WiiU. Even if it was, what's wrong with rebuying it if you no longer have/use the WiiU? Or you want a portable version? You're suggesting 'hardcore' Nintendo fans would buy 2 copies of the exact same game, to be used in the exact same way, for 2 (or more?) systems existing side by side. 

Do you think people who bought more than one DS bought all their games a second or third time?



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

Pyro as Bill said:
potato_hamster said:

Do(did) you also own a 1080p home version for your Wii U? I bet you did! Imagine what that means.... hmm... it's like you bought multiple copies of the same game. But that's besides the point. I said that knowing their hardcore userbase will buy multiple copies of the same game was one of many reasons why Nintendo might do it. It's certainly not the only reason, nor the main reason to make a 3DS successor, and I've never said it was. But let's keep the straw man train rolling! Choo Choo!


Soundwave, I wish this thread just was everyone arguing against me. this whole thread is essentially everyone arguing against things they either thought I said but never, or arguing against hyperbolic versions of my arguments they've created in their minds. 80% of the things people claim I said in this thread has never been said by me.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe wasn't on the WiiU. Even if it was, what's wrong with rebuying it if you no longer have/use the WiiU? Or you want a portable version? You're suggesting 'hardcore' Nintendo fans would buy 2 copies of the exact same game, to be used in the exact same way, for 2 (or more?) systems existing side by side. 

Do you think people who bought more than one DS bought all their games a second or third time?

Ohh I'm sorry, just make "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe: Portable" with a new outfit for each character, and it's a day one buy for you. Let's not kid ourselves here Bill.



Yeah long term the "two seperate portables" wouldn't work. Two Nintendo platforms only work long term if the "console" is a home ONLY device. Nintendo's never simulatenously had *long term* success with two seperate home consoles or two seperate portable game machines. 

Another portable Nintendo platform has extremely limited appeal. Yes Switch is more expensive, bigger, less battery life now, but all those issues can be addressed simply with time and a die shrink to 16nm. So your whole theory "yeah but it's not a handheld" goes down the toilet in about 18 months when Nintendo will likely start releasing Tegra X2 variants of the Switch and the price is $50-$80 cheaper than it is now.

The "Nintendo fans will buy it, Nintendo fans buy anything" logic doesn't hold either, many Nintendo fans opt not to buy 2 Nintendo hardware pieces. The Wii/DS were successful but the Wii had a lightining-in-the-bottle motion control fad that the DS didn't to drive sales for about 4 years. 

Most Nintendo fans did NOT own both the GameCube and GBA (as evidence that 80% of GBA owners did not buy a GCN). Same thing is true of Wii U and 3DS, most Nintendo fans said "nope" to Wii U.