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binary solo on 15 June 2017

As long as the design of the case is cool, and the hardware is a significant step up from current hardware (2x RAM seems pretty poop compared to past generational leaps, but maybe we're hitting diminishing returns on RAM size increments and RAM speed is more important). The the games and the services will do the selling. I don't need hardware with fancy names of components that do more or less the same stuff as off the shelf components.

But please. let the launch PS5 be future proofed in terms of storage capacity. 500GB HDD for a console that had mandatory installs for disc games that are 50GB or more is a pathetically small amount of storage. PS5 should be have 128GB SSD and 5TB HDD and you transfer your active games from HDD to SSD for superior performance; which is done behind the scenes when you boot up the game. Just like you can start playing a game when you get (10%?) HDD installation from the disc with PS4.



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DonFerrari on 15 June 2017
binary solo said:
As long as the design of the case is cool, and the hardware is a significant step up from current hardware (2x RAM seems pretty poop compared to past generational leaps, but maybe we're hitting diminishing returns on RAM size increments and RAM speed is more important). The the games and the services will do the selling. I don't need hardware with fancy names of components that do more or less the same stuff as off the shelf components.

But please. let the launch PS5 be future proofed in terms of storage capacity. 500GB HDD for a console that had mandatory installs for disc games that are 50GB or more is a pathetically small amount of storage. PS5 should be have 128GB SSD and 5TB HDD and you transfer your active games from HDD to SSD for superior performance; which is done behind the scenes when you boot up the game. Just like you can start playing a game when you get (10%?) HDD installation from the disc with PS4.

This HD integration should be quite helpfull on loading times.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Nijmegen1982 on 15 June 2017

If they continu to deliver the quality of games like I got used to since PlayStation (1) it won't be boring for me.



binary solo on 15 June 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
SvennoJ said:

Ah you meant it's underwhelming because of the price.

A year later and $100 more, they're about the same upgrade for value. We'll see whether the X1X is actually going to get a lot more. It will be the best version but I guess we'll need DF again to point out the differences.

I feel like the PS4 is a very well designed piece of hardware and it has just the right amount of power to do 1080p with high quality graphics. Its a nice piece of hardware for $250-$300.

The PS4 Pro played it too safe on price, it doesn't feel very premium. The GPU rarely hits 4K on modern games. The RAM was basically kept the same so we get the same textures with higher resolutions and games with unlocked frame rates are all over the place. I feel the Pro should have been $500 so it could be a better PREMIUM console. Those who feel $500 is too expensive, go buy a regular PS4.

I feel MS made the right decision if even X1X's price is high. Because the X1S is generally half the price and plays the same games fine.

In hindsight I think you are right. But I also think Sony was afraid of repeating the PS3 mistake of asking people to pay too much. And seeing how badly Xb one sold at $500. If XOX sales are a good proportion of total Xb one sales (after it launches), then Sony may be willing to take a bigger step with a future mid-gen upgrade with PS5. I think Sony will still play it safe and launch PS5 for $399. That price seems like the new gen launch sweet spot for PS and Xbox consoles.

But if Sony can reliablly depend on MS making certain it is the spec leader in any generation from now on. Sony could take a calculated risk and launch a console with specs that are appropriate to a $499 price. Knowing that there is no way MS will launch a box with $399 specs. But I don't think they'll take that risk.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

Lawlight on 15 June 2017
Kyuu said:

The "boring" PS3 is a much better system than the innovative and mighty successful Wii.
The "boring" SNES is by a landslide my favorite Nintendo system so far. And is considered by tens of millions of gamers as the best platform ever.

The greatest games of all time rarely relied on hardware gimmicks and could easily be made and enjoyed on boring systems such as PS4.

But I do think Sony might "copy" Switch with PS5 or PS6 and go portable ("Hybrid"). You know conventional home consoles are a dying breed when the market leader talks prematurely about converting to a service.

Converting to a service? I'd like to see that announcement. Any source?



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DonFerrari on 15 June 2017
Lawlight said:
Kyuu said:

The "boring" PS3 is a much better system than the innovative and mighty successful Wii.
The "boring" SNES is by a landslide my favorite Nintendo system so far. And is considered by tens of millions of gamers as the best platform ever.

The greatest games of all time rarely relied on hardware gimmicks and could easily be made and enjoyed on boring systems such as PS4.

But I do think Sony might "copy" Switch with PS5 or PS6 and go portable ("Hybrid"). You know conventional home consoles are a dying breed when the market leader talks prematurely about converting to a service.

Converting to a service? I'd like to see that announcement. Any source?

In portuguese it translates as "Fonte Arial 12" (source in portuguese is fonte, but fonte also means the typeset). Used when we mean that there is no credible source.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Lawlight on 16 June 2017
Ljink96 said:
Lawlight said:

Challenge accepted. I will go deep into Sony's IPs if you wish, since you listed so many Nintendo IPs that I've never heard of before. Watch this space.

As for quality, notice how Sony is the console with the highest number of games in GotY awards? Like last year, Uncharted 4 was the big winner but The Last Guardian won a lot too. It's safe to say Sony makes games that are more applauded - like SM Galaxy 2 - highest rated game in 2010 and still only won a handful of GotY awards more than Heavy Rain while RDR and Mass Effect 2 cleaned up house.

In the other posts, still not enough to compete, it just isn't possible but good effort. Nintendo has more high rated 1st party titles than sony. GOTY awards, that's nice Nintendo is no stranger to them and they'll most likely get one this year. Even Bethesda says Nintendo raised the bar with Breath of the Wild, it's not often that other 3rd parties praise a 1st party so openly. Especially with their first Open world game but Nintendo has more games in that top 20 metacritic than any other 1st party... Again, Nintendo probably has about 300 different game releases and I don't wish to recount them. They're old, they have a lot of IP. The only games you really shouldn't know are Devil World, Mach Rider, and Takamaru as they're the oldest in the list.

Sorry, but even with 13 years less it seems that Sony has more IPs than Nintendo. In recent times Sony definitely has created more new IPs.

And even though Nintendo has some of the highest rated games, not many of those games were outstanding enough to win more GotY awards than other games in the same year. Like SMG2 - great score but not great enough of a game to surpass RDR or Mass Effect 2. Which makes sense - a perfectly executed game is not necessarily the most outstanding game in that year. Look at the previous gen for example - it's safe to say that The Last of Us is the more outstanding game of that gen compared to any Nintendo title last gen.

I agree though that this year might finally see Nintendo win a GotY with BotW unless, of course, RDR2 releases this year.



Ljink96 on 16 June 2017
Lawlight said:
Ljink96 said:

In the other posts, still not enough to compete, it just isn't possible but good effort. Nintendo has more high rated 1st party titles than sony. GOTY awards, that's nice Nintendo is no stranger to them and they'll most likely get one this year. Even Bethesda says Nintendo raised the bar with Breath of the Wild, it's not often that other 3rd parties praise a 1st party so openly. Especially with their first Open world game but Nintendo has more games in that top 20 metacritic than any other 1st party... Again, Nintendo probably has about 300 different game releases and I don't wish to recount them. They're old, they have a lot of IP. The only games you really shouldn't know are Devil World, Mach Rider, and Takamaru as they're the oldest in the list.

Sorry, but even with 13 years less it seems that Sony has more IPs than Nintendo. In recent times Sony definitely has created more new IPs.

And even though Nintendo has some of the highest rated games, not many of those games were outstanding enough to win more GotY awards than other games in the same year. Like SMG2 - great score but not great enough of a game to surpass RDR or Mass Effect 2. Which makes sense - a perfectly executed game is not necessarily the most outstanding game in that year. Look at the previous gen for example - it's safe to say that The Last of Us is the more outstanding game of that gen compared to any Nintendo title last gen.

I agree though that this year might finally see Nintendo win a GotY with BotW unless, of course, RDR2 releases this year.

Zelda's going to win regardless of RDR2 release...which isn't happening, lol. It's slated for 2018.



DonFerrari on 16 June 2017
Ljink96 said:
Lawlight said:

Sorry, but even with 13 years less it seems that Sony has more IPs than Nintendo. In recent times Sony definitely has created more new IPs.

And even though Nintendo has some of the highest rated games, not many of those games were outstanding enough to win more GotY awards than other games in the same year. Like SMG2 - great score but not great enough of a game to surpass RDR or Mass Effect 2. Which makes sense - a perfectly executed game is not necessarily the most outstanding game in that year. Look at the previous gen for example - it's safe to say that The Last of Us is the more outstanding game of that gen compared to any Nintendo title last gen.

I agree though that this year might finally see Nintendo win a GotY with BotW unless, of course, RDR2 releases this year.

Zelda's going to win regardless of RDR2 release...which isn't happening, lol. It's slated for 2018.

So you are basically sure that no game can take the GOTY of Zelda? Good for Switch players.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Ljink96 on 16 June 2017
DonFerrari said:
Ljink96 said:

Zelda's going to win regardless of RDR2 release...which isn't happening, lol. It's slated for 2018.

So you are basically sure that no game can take the GOTY of Zelda? Good for Switch players.

I don't think there's a contest at this point. If there is one to rival it, it's Mario Odyssey but most people won't have had enough time to reach such a conclusion. And what does...Good for Switch players mean? GOTY means GOTY.