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Zekkyou said:
Do we know yet what exactly Ultra is? I'd be down for sequels, but i wouldn't be interested in GOTY-esk editions.

It's like Crystal/Emerald/Platinum (changed story), but with 2 versions like Black2/White2. So...



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BraLoD said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Wait. Are you suggesting Nintendo somehow orchestrated the failure of WiiU in order to justify re-selling its games on another system?

That doesn't make any sense. Nintendo poured a lot of money into R&D for the WiiU, and released a lot of games that took advantage of its unique asymmetrical interface. It didn't plan for the WiiU to fail. 

When WiiU's grisly fate became clear, Nintendo moved on with a successor system that was more accessible, versatile, and attractive to consumers. Enhanced ports and deluxe editions followed. Why would Nintendo throw good money after bad, and continue to manufacture a system no one wanted? 

Why would you assume Sony gave up on Vita out of financial necessity and Nintendo gave up on WiiU because of more nefarious reasons?

No I'm not.
I'm saying that once they realized it failed they choose to screw the few buyers they had by dropping another system to resell those games, not to move foward.
The fact they held Zelda away from Wii U onwers until the Switch was ready was also another big showing.
If you take the PS3 as the comparision, when Sony was struggling they did all the possible to make the PS3 best, they lowered massively its price and focused it completely on games and bringing the most possible content to it, and didn't just released the PS4 in 2010.
Meanwhile Sony screwed the Vita owners as well, but instead of making another system to resell the Vita core games, they simply ported it, althought still letting Vita owners to eat dust.

The point is that both did wrong to its consumers, but Nintendo actually cut the Wii U short to resell it.

But Sony had third parties to carry the load along with their first party content for the PS3 and Vita, especially Vita since Sony decided to abandon it early on.

The Wii U had no such luxury. It barely had any momentum. Lowering the price for a console not a lot of people cared for or even were aware of would do nothing but create losses, more than Nintendo would want beyond the 2-3 years of losses. Besides Nintendo themselves did pretty much as close to all they could for the Wii U. Sure no Metroid, but they had Splatoon, Smash, Kart, 3D World, Pokken, #FE, Xenoblade X, Mario Maker, Yoshis Woolly World, Pikmin 3, Kirby, DKCTF, Hyrule Warriors, and BoTW. If you have an idea of getting as much out of 13 million consumers who were more than likely ready to move on for this year and next, then be my guest.



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Zekkyou said:
Do we know yet what exactly Ultra is? I'd be down for sequels, but i wouldn't be interested in GOTY-esk editions.

It's like Crystal/Emerald/Platinum (changed story), but with 2 versions like Black2/White2. So...

What I have said it 4 times today,  ( not as much good as you have done it though ) ! :)



Slarvax said:
Zekkyou said:
Do we know yet what exactly Ultra is? I'd be down for sequels, but i wouldn't be interested in GOTY-esk editions.

It's like Crystal/Emerald/Platinum (changed story), but with 2 versions like Black2/White2. So...

Technically it could be anything because we literally no nothing about the game. It could be anywhere as much as an entire 50% expanded map with 4 new islands to explore and travel to another region, or the exact same game only with a different legendary. I expect it having more changes than Black and White 2 did to it's original game



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About the port thing:
For those who didn't have a wii u is a good addiction in the game library.
But those who bought it on wii u(probably the most loyal fans) would be pissed about only having ports.

Solution: give discount(on the digital version) to wii u pokken owners. At least for digital version. It wouldn't hurt the sales, and also would give a reason to wii u owners buy a switch, and would please wii u owners that already upgraded to switch.
Win-win situation.
They should had done the same with Mario kart.



I haven't played B2W2 but heard that the general consensus is that it is better than the original so am cautiously excited for Ultra SM

Not going to get Pokken though



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Slarvax said:
Zekkyou said:
Do we know yet what exactly Ultra is? I'd be down for sequels, but i wouldn't be interested in GOTY-esk editions.

It's like Crystal/Emerald/Platinum (changed story), but with 2 versions like Black2/White2. So...

Hahaha, that gif is perfect

If that's the case then i'll probably give it a miss, unless a Switch port comes out. The 3DS actually has fairly decent graphics hiding behinds its screen, so a Switch port would look pretty nice.



BraLoD said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Wait. Are you suggesting Nintendo somehow orchestrated the failure of WiiU in order to justify re-selling its games on another system?

That doesn't make any sense. Nintendo poured a lot of money into R&D for the WiiU, and released a lot of games that took advantage of its unique asymmetrical interface. It didn't plan for the WiiU to fail. 

When WiiU's grisly fate became clear, Nintendo moved on with a successor system that was more accessible, versatile, and attractive to consumers. Enhanced ports and deluxe editions followed. Why would Nintendo throw good money after bad, and continue to manufacture a system no one wanted? 

Why would you assume Sony gave up on Vita out of financial necessity and Nintendo gave up on WiiU because of more nefarious reasons?

No I'm not.
I'm saying that once they realized it failed they choose to screw the few buyers they had by dropping another system to resell those games, not to move foward.
The fact they held Zelda away from Wii U onwers until the Switch was ready was also another big showing.
If you take the PS3 as the comparision, when Sony was struggling they did all the possible to make the PS3 best, they lowered massively its price and focused it completely on games and bringing the most possible content to it, and didn't just released the PS4 in 2010.
Meanwhile Sony screwed the Vita owners as well, but instead of making another system to resell the Vita core games, they simply ported it, althought still letting Vita owners to eat dust.

The point is that both did wrong to its consumers, but Nintendo actually cut the Wii U short to resell it.

BraLoD, those are two dramatically different scenarios. By March 31, 2008, PS3 had sold almost 13 million units —nearly as many as WiiU's lifetime sales. By March 2010, PS3 had sold about 33 million units, which was 86% of the Xbox 360's 39 million (a system that had one year head start). Sony had compelling reasons to stick with PS3. Nintendo had none with WiiU, short of insulting the 14 million folks who bought one.

I think you're being unfairly distrustful of Nintendo here. They made a dud, and they decided to move on. Remember: Nintendo is a video game company only; it doesn't have other revenue streams like Sony and Microsoft. A failure like WiiU can be severly damaging to its operating budget. 



Glad to know there will be new Pokemon for US/UM. They've at least never done that before for a third/sequel version. So hopefully that indicates there will be a lot of new additions/changes to the games.Maybe we're getting some evos for some of those inexplicable evo snubs (lookin at you Komala, Pyukumuku, and Ribombee).Must say not a fan at all of those hideous looking Necrozma hybrids of the mascots though. Might be some of my least favorite designs ever.