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BraLoD said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

It happens  

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/wipeout-omega-collection-ps4/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/gravity-rush-remastered-ps4/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/tearaway-unfolded-ps4/

Yup, the way Sony handled the Vita was an absolute shame, after deciding to drop it quick they went on bringing the few "major" exclusives to the PS4.
Though Sony didn't cut Vita short to release another handheld to resell those games.
Still shameful, tho.

Well, my point was the opposite, actually. I don't think there's anything shameful about it, really. Both Sony and Nintendo pursued money-making enterprises. They saw software that languished on unpopular hardware and decided to re-release it, often with additional content, to a much larger audience. They didn't force anyone to double dip. They simply presented another option. Aren't folks always saying "fewer games is never a good thing"?

Plus it's not like Switch is wanting for original content. 1-2 Switch, Arms, Fire Emblem Warriors, Breath of the Wild, Snipperclips, Splatoon 2, Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 — many of these are significant new releases. That's not a bad first-party line-up in 10 months, and that's excluding "deluxe" versions of Mario Kart 8 and Pokken Tournament.

Neither Sony nor Nintendo are altruistic. They're beholden to share holders and bottom lines. The only thing "shameful" here is capitalism.



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Ljink96 said:
celador said:
port port port port

Just like most console 1st year launches...

Pretty much. Nintendo is just playing the game, they aren't above charging for online, ports/remasters, etc.

OT: Pokken DX kinda makes sense but ultra sun/moon is just....odd.



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StarOcean said:
Why the hell were people expecting Pokemon on Switch so soon? Oi, with few exceptions, GameFreak takes about 2yrs to release on new hardware. I don't believe they've ever release even close to this early on a new system

I thought of port of Sun/Moon might happen, but a ground up edition on the system is probably not until 2019/2020.



I wanted a pokemon minigame compilation



GameFreak proving they are the most lazy developer out there.



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BraLoD said:
Slade6alpha said:
GameFreak proving they are the most lazy developer out there.

You might offend EA with that one, please tone it down Slade.

Apologies. I went too far on that one. 

I'll end up buying both of them 

#Nintendrone



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Further reason to have even less respect for The Pokemon company and Game Freak. I've never seen such blatant milking in my entire life.

Shame! Ding, ding.



BraLoD said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Well, my point was the opposite, actually. I don't think there's anything shameful about it, really. Both Sony and Nintendo pursued money-making enterprises. They saw software that languished on unpopular hardware and decided to re-release it, often with additional content, to a much larger audience. They didn't force anyone to double dip. They simply presented another option. Aren't folks always saying "fewer games is never a good thing"?

Plus it's not like Switch is wanting for original content. 1-2 Switch, Arms, Fire Emblem Warriors, Breath of the Wild, Snipperclips, Splatoon 2, Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 — many of these are significant new releases. That's not a bad first-party line-up in 10 months, and that's excluding "deluxe" versions of Mario Kart 8 and Pokken Tournament.

Neither Sony nor Nintendo are altruistic. They're beholden to share holders and bottom lines. The only thing "shameful" here is capitalism.

No no no no no xP

My point was that the Wii U was cut short so they could resell it on another system, which is shameful, meanwhile the Vita was cut short because Sony didn't see sales coming and just dropped it. In both cases the owners of those systems were screwed, that's the problem (worse on Wii U case), not the ports pe se.

Nintendo have been re-releasing games since forever, there is nothing new here regarding that.

Wait. Are you suggesting Nintendo somehow orchestrated the failure of WiiU in order to justify re-selling its games on another system?

That doesn't make any sense. Nintendo poured a lot of money into R&D for the WiiU, and released a lot of games that took advantage of its unique asymmetrical interface. It didn't plan for the WiiU to fail. 

When WiiU's grisly fate became clear, Nintendo moved on with a successor system that was more accessible, versatile, and attractive to consumers. Enhanced ports and deluxe editions followed. Why would Nintendo throw good money after bad, and continue to manufacture a system no one wanted? 

Why would you assume Sony gave up on Vita out of financial necessity and Nintendo gave up on WiiU because of more nefarious reasons?



Nuvendil said:
Zekkyou said:

While you're right, Sony and MS got a loooooot of shit for it (especially from some Nintendo fans). Things got so bad with TLOU:R that the mod team has to start auto-locking threads, because the same stuff was getting posted over and over :p

To be fair though, 99% of it came from a small group, and most have either been banned or cooled off. I don't think people should give Nintendo fans shit over it now in the name of some kind of petty revenge (though that's not what celador is doing).

Well worth pointing out that Sony and MS in 2014 were using ports as a sub in for major games even at major periods of the year.  Shoot Sony had no big gun for Holidays.  Their biggest drive was from Destiny.  I'm willing to be less cynical with Nintendo because they already have Xenoblade 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, ARMS, Splatoon 2, and Super Mario Odyssey slated for this year.  Two of those coming BEFORE Pokken.  Also, Pokken needed a port.  It suffered on Wii U for a lot of reasons.

That's exactly the same thing Nintendo are using them for, no? They're "taking resources away from new games" (a common argument back in 2013 - 2015) to bolster a limited library. What "limited" means is slightly different (the Switch has few major releases in general but more big exclusive, while Sony and MS had more games in general), but the end goal is the same. I don't see why that variation would make the PS4 and X1 exclusively deserving of criticism.



Do we know yet what exactly Ultra is? I'd be down for sequels, but i wouldn't be interested in GOTY-esk editions.