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FallingTitan on 06 June 2017
Machiavellian said:
FallingTitan said:
you think because scorpio is so powerful they will stagger the next xbox?


so PS5 will release a year or 2 before the next xbox? because scorpio is so strong it might be equal to ps5 or slightly less?

and it might be cheaper to make games for the scorpio if they delay the next xbox so might get more games too?

I highly doubt that the PS5 will release any sooner than 4 years from now.  There is absolutly no pressure on Sony to release it any sooner and the way that the Pro and PS4 is selling why stall that money maker for no apparent advantage.

YEAH THATS TRUE!

 

This gives me confidence to upgrade my x1 to scorpio at least i can play it for 3-5 years without risk of not getting the next xbox and not getting the games come to scorpio.

i was worried it would release and 2 years later the next one comes out to compete with ps5.etc



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Pemalite on 06 June 2017
EricHiggin said:
Pulls air in through the back and pushes it out the sides? So the exact opposite of how the PS4 cooling system works?

Taking the APU heat and pushing it out through the rest of the components doesn't seem like a smart design choice unless the APU really runs that cool or the air flow is very fast. Which puts into question how big is the fan and how loud is it? Maybe the retail unit will work the same way as PS4 instead?

Also interesting that they say the Scorpio front looks very different, yet the back looks very similar.

Scorpio has adopted high-end PC air cooling.
Aka. Vapour chamber, blower-type.

Heat is not even going to be an issue considering the TDP such coolers can dissipate.




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asqarkabab on 06 June 2017

Im so excited to see it



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DirtyP2002 on 06 June 2017
JRPGfan said:
Vasto said:

That seems like the price everyone is going with.  

I am not rulling out $399!

Supposedly the E3 reveal price has leaked.

Its 449$ for the 1TB, and 499$ for the 2TB version.

Thats from the super hardcore Xbox fans, like crapgamer ect that have connections at MS.

They where all hopeing for 399$ too, but now their all saying "day1 at 449$".

I have a 2TB external HDD connected to my Xbox One. So 3TB should be enough, right?

 

How much space does an average 4k game require btw?



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Azzanation on 06 June 2017
JRPGfan said:
Vasto said:

That seems like the price everyone is going with.  

I am not rulling out $399!

Supposedly the E3 reveal price has leaked.

Its 449$ for the 1TB, and 499$ for the 2TB version.

Thats from the super hardcore Xbox fans, like crapgamer ect that have connections at MS.

They where all hopeing for 399$ too, but now their all saying "day1 at 449$".

$450 is amazing value.



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Machiavellian on 06 June 2017
Azzanation said:
JRPGfan said:

Supposedly the E3 reveal price has leaked.

Its 449$ for the 1TB, and 499$ for the 2TB version.

Thats from the super hardcore Xbox fans, like crapgamer ect that have connections at MS.

They where all hopeing for 399$ too, but now their all saying "day1 at 449$".

$450 is amazing value.

450 would be a price I would expect MS to do which probably break even but gives them a competitive price.  399 would mean the would bleed money and I am sure MS is done with that.  499 for 2tb sounds right since they can make a small profit as the 2TB drive probably cost no more than the 1TB.  I would be great if MS had a pack in game with the Scorpio that hits all the key features 4K, 60FPS, HDR advance something above the standard X1.  Gears of War probably would be the best game to do this.



drkohler on 06 June 2017

What is funny in that "Stacked on top of one another"-picture is the fact that they mention that airflow no longer is blocked on the top, and at the same time place the units side-by-side, blocking half of the side air exits...



EricHiggin on 06 June 2017
Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:
Pulls air in through the back and pushes it out the sides? So the exact opposite of how the PS4 cooling system works?

Taking the APU heat and pushing it out through the rest of the components doesn't seem like a smart design choice unless the APU really runs that cool or the air flow is very fast. Which puts into question how big is the fan and how loud is it? Maybe the retail unit will work the same way as PS4 instead?

Also interesting that they say the Scorpio front looks very different, yet the back looks very similar.

Scorpio has adopted high-end PC air cooling.
Aka. Vapour chamber, blower-type.

Heat is not even going to be an issue considering the TDP such coolers can dissipate.

Hopefully they also decide to use high end thermal paste as well. Without proper airflow the heatsink can only dissipate so much. They must have thought that through though, and have a fan size and speeds to compensate for that. The fan must be huge or must run at a high rpm to move enough air over that heatsink in order to pull away the heat without allowing the air to get too warm. With enough airflow the air temp wouldn't get all that high and wouldn't be such a big deal to blow through the components. Especially if they are using high end components that are rated for higher temps. If the shell is as small and compact as it looks like it might be, it'll be interesting to see how warm and loud it runs.



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PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

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Pemalite on 07 June 2017
EricHiggin said:

Hopefully they also decide to use high end thermal paste as well. Without proper airflow the heatsink can only dissipate so much. They must have thought that through though, and have a fan size and speeds to compensate for that. The fan must be huge or must run at a high rpm to move enough air over that heatsink in order to pull away the heat without allowing the air to get too warm. With enough airflow the air temp wouldn't get all that high and wouldn't be such a big deal to blow through the components. Especially if they are using high end components that are rated for higher temps. If the shell is as small and compact as it looks like it might be, it'll be interesting to see how warm and loud it runs.

With how over-engineered the base Xbox one's cooling system is, I don't think we have much to worry about.

The great thing about blower-type vapour chamber coolers is they can dissipate a ton of heat, in a small amount of space, which is why GPU's tend to opt for it.

It will likely be noisier when compared to the base Xbox One though, but if Microsoft implements a proper fan curve it should be fairly silent whilst watching movies or on the dashboard which is when such things are important.




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