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The funny thing is, when you look at these two teams on paper, one would think that they're evenly matched.
You have 4 of the top 10 best players in the world, 2 on each team and both are at the SF and PG positions. Plus you have 3 other all stars and both appear to have deep benches.
But once you step out on the court, it's an entirely different story.
You watch the Warriors play and how unselfish they are with the ball and how much they gel together, it's almost like they've been playing together their entire lives. It's especially amazing considering half of their team was put together THIS year, not just K.D.
Meanwhile, you look at the Cavs, and they need LeBron and Kyrie to do EVERYTHING for them. Because if they're not going, everything else falls apart. And most of their players are one dimensional. JR Smith was great these past 2 games, but ONLY because he got hot from the field. When his shot isn't falling, he disappears. Same goes for Kyle Korver, Iman Shumpert, Deron Williams, Channing Frye, even Kevin Love, and in Tristan Thompson's case, when he's not grabbing rebounds.
It took a record breaking, historic performance scoring and shooting the ball in Game 4 combined with the Warriors' lackluster defense and the ABSOLUTE WORST officiating I have ever seen in a professional sporting event in my entire life, that officiating was an ATROCITY, that should never, ever, ever be witnessed, experienced, or repeated ever again, for the Cavs to win ONE game AT HOME.
There was no way they were going to pull off THAT performance again tonight on the Warriors' home floor. They need to blow up this team and completely rebuild. The only guys I would keep for sure are LeBron and Kyrie. Kyrie because he's the future of this franchise and LeBron because... well.... LeBron. And try to gather pieces that can get it done on BOTH ends of the floor and whose play on one end is not affected by the other. Take Klay Thompson for example, before Game 2, the guy was Ice Cold shooting the ball, he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat, but defensively he was OUTSTANDING the entire playoffs. The Cavs need players like that where they are mentally strong enough to give it their best effort regardless of how their performing on one end of the floor as opposed to "Oh no, I missed 2 shots in a row. I'm not feeling it tonight."
Because if they go in with this same roster next year and assuming the Warriors keep their roster together as well (A Lot of FA's this offseason for Golden State) than I think we're in for a repeat of this year.



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Pinkie_pie said:
Soundwave said:

Haha, that KD Nike commercial is savage on the critics, lol.

Great Finals for Durant, what a player.

LeBron's Finals record is uggggly, 3 for 8, but at least he went down shooting this time instead of bailing out.

Lets be real here, most of his points in the 4th came in junk time. He was just paddling his stats. That assist in the last 30 sec so he could avg a triple double

I don't get this notion. What do you expect him to do? Just run the clock and concede? What about that stuff about playing hard till the end that we learn from pee wee league? He was the only player on the Cavs who scored outside JR's three in the 4th.

I don't get that &$@%. 

And I think he balled out and did whatever he could playing so many hard minutes. Having to control the offense, score, pass, defend KD, and lead against the stacked Warriors team isn't easy.

i think he'll end up top 5 or maybe higher in the end. GOAT discussions might be over, but I think he went down swinging. Sure we can talk about the weak East while ignore the watered down West of the 80s when it comes to Magic Johnson, but if you can ask how many players have made that many consecutive finals, you have to go back to the 60s. Going to the Finals takes a mental, physical, and emotional toll on you as you have to grind out best-of-7 series for three rounds before the Finals. After that, win or lose, you'll have a short offseason before having to deal with the grind of the regular season once more. Even Michael Jordan admitted that mental fatigue is a factor when playing deep into May and June for consecutive years. It was (maybe partly) why he retired the first time. That's why Isiah Thomas and Larry Bird retired in their early to mid-thirties. Something wears down whether it's physical or mental or emotional after battling for so many years. It's incredible how Lebron is able to maintain good health and remain mentally sharp in the playoffs for so many consecutive years to make the Finals. And you could only play what's in front of you so that's out of Lebron's power.

There are thousands of players who were fortunate enough to make the NBA, very few of them are fortunate enough to make the Finals. And very few of those few are fortunate enough to come back.



monocle_layton said:
Kevin Love doesn't work with the Cavs. He worked with Minne due to him not being forced to simply be a three point shooter.

The cavs really need to work on themselves in the offseason. They made a bunch of terrible decisions. From giving Thompson $80 million to continuing to allow LeBron to play 43+ minutes throughout the playoffs, it's clear that there's work to do.


The 22-2 run in the 2nd showed who the superior team is. Props for Golden State for creating an amazing organization

Unless that number one draft pick turns out to be one of the biggest busts of all time the Celtics will more then likely dethrone the Cavs next season.  Plus besides the number one pick I'm pretty sure they also have cap room so they have the number one pick and can get a decent free agent.



Chris Hu said:
monocle_layton said:
Kevin Love doesn't work with the Cavs. He worked with Minne due to him not being forced to simply be a three point shooter.

The cavs really need to work on themselves in the offseason. They made a bunch of terrible decisions. From giving Thompson $80 million to continuing to allow LeBron to play 43+ minutes throughout the playoffs, it's clear that there's work to do.


The 22-2 run in the 2nd showed who the superior team is. Props for Golden State for creating an amazing organization

Unless that number one draft pick turns out to be one of the biggest busts of all time the Celtics will more then likely dethrone the Cavs next season.  Plus besides the number one pick I'm pretty sure they also have cap room so they have the number one pick and can get a decent free agent.

I really doubt the Celtics will dethrone the Cavs.  They would need more than just 1 player.  They were getting eaten alive before their lead player got injured.  The only reason the Cavs lost a game was because they were practically taking the 3rd quarter off and having a 3 point shooting contest while being ice cold and not hustling.  If the Cavs had taken them seriously as they should have, that series would have been a sweep.  The Celtics have a ton of work to do to have a shot. 



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
No way the Rockets would lose to the Bulls in their 1994 and 1995 championship years. The Bulls lacked size in comparison to the Rockets team lead by the great Hakeem Olajuwon. The Bulls were lucky to never face the Rockets in the NBA Finals. Olajuwon was a stronger opponent than the big guys Jordan faced in NBA Finals: Malone, Kemp and Barkley. Jordan got lucky to win his 6 NBA titles. Jordan never faced a strong team in the NBA Finals.

Should have said this earlier but the 1994-95 Rockets sweeping the Magic in the Finals is pretty much the most devestating defeat in the finals ever they never recoved from that loss and going into the finals they where on the verge of greatness.  Getting to the finals they elimated one of the best Pacer teams in the semis and when they defeated the Bulls in the quaterfinals Jordan was back to his pre hiatus form.  So there is no reason they should have got swept in the finals.



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Nuvendil said:
Chris Hu said:

Unless that number one draft pick turns out to be one of the biggest busts of all time the Celtics will more then likely dethrone the Cavs next season.  Plus besides the number one pick I'm pretty sure they also have cap room so they have the number one pick and can get a decent free agent.

I really doubt the Celtics will dethrone the Cavs.  They would need more than just 1 player.  They were getting eaten alive before their lead player got injured.  The only reason the Cavs lost a game was because they were practically taking the 3rd quarter off and having a 3 point shooting contest while being ice cold and not hustling.  If the Cavs had taken them seriously as they should have, that series would have been a sweep.  The Celtics have a ton of work to do to have a shot. 

But they are getting more then just one player they have the number one pick and cap room.



The Rockets needed 7 games to beat the Knicks in 94 and really only won because John Starks shot like 3-for-293848484 (it was actually 11% ... but 11%, lol) from the field to win game 7. 

MJ was waiting for Hakeem in the Finals many times. Hakeem got beat by Kemp/Payton (badly) in 96, Stockton/Malone in 97 despite having Barkely and Drexler, etc. Not MJ's fault that Olajuwon couldn't get out of his own conference the *six* times he was in the Finals. Plenty of opportunity was given. Hakeem would then get knocked out in the first round with Barkley and Pippen on his team. 

Hakeem was a good player, but he's not even one of the top 10 players of all time, Jordan is the best ever. Lets be real here. 



Soundwave said:

The Rockets needed 7 games to beat the Knicks in 94 and really only won because John Starks shot like 3-for-293848484 (it was actually 11% ... but 11%, lol) from the field to win game 7. 

MJ was waiting for Hakeem in the Finals many times. Hakeem got beat by Kemp/Payton (badly) in 96, Stockton/Malone in 97 despite having Barkely and Drexler, etc. Not MJ's fault that Olajuwon couldn't get out of his own conference the *six* times he was in the Finals. Plenty of opportunity was given. Hakeem would then get knocked out in the first round with Barkley and Pippen on his team. 

Hakeem was a good player, but he's not even one of the top 10 players of all time, Jordan is the best ever. Lets be real here. 

Well Hakeem is easily on of the top ten centers or power forwards.  Plus people sure like to forget that he got to finals before Jordan did he just lost to a much better Celtics team the first time around.  Also thoughout his career Jordan pretty much always had a better supporting cast than Hakeem had the only time that wasn't true was in college.  Hakeem's University of Houston teams where all loaded with talent.



Kevin Love must be traded to land Paul George or Chris Paul. LeBron/Kyrie/JR Smith + George or Paul would be an awesome team.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Kevin Love must be traded to land Paul George or Chris Paul. LeBron/Kyrie/JR Smith + George or Paul would be an awesome team.

Yeah, it sucks cause Love has the potential to be better than this but he's just so inconsistent and in the finals he's rarely a factor.  I mean, Tristan Thompson was more important than him in these finals :P

What they need is a really good defender in the paint.  Can't stop Durant, but you've gotta slow the points in the paint.  Would also be nice if they had a really good pure point guard so Irving could focus on scoring as a shooting guard.  

Also, Cavs need to re-evaluate their game.  They have fantastic ball handlers and 1 on 1 players, but that's not going to win against a stacked team with good defenders.  They need to take advantage of their good passing abilities too.