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Should Trump stay or not?

Yes, stay 119 50.42%
 
No, don't stay 102 43.22%
 
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I wish we would have stayed in it, but I find this quote from an interview with Rand Paul interesting:

Paul pointed out that the agreement tasks the United States with reducing its carbon footprint by 20 percent while China is under no environmental obligation for the next 20 years.



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WolfpackN64 said:
Aeolus451 said:
Climate change exists and we need to do something about it but not at the cost of american jobs/money for a barely measurable difference in climate.

Not investing in new technologies IS going to cost a lot of American jobs in the long run.

Nice strawman. You can still invest in new technologies while saving the jobs and money from a shit deal.



Flilix said:
Aeolus451 said:
Climate change exists and we need to do something about it but not at the cost of american jobs/money for a barely measurable difference in climate.

So their money is more important than other peoples lifes?

Climate change already has a huge impact. Pacific islands are sinking. In the Africa and in the Middle East, there are enormous droughts, which creates famines and conflicts.
These things are more important than some people getting a bit less money. Every possible opportunity to reduce climate change shoud be taken.

Tell that crap to China and India. 



Aeolus451 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Not investing in new technologies IS going to cost a lot of American jobs in the long run.

Nice strawman. You can still invest in new technologies while saving the jobs and money from a shit deal.

Invest in what? This adminstration does not believe that Climate change is real, period. That's their position. They do not believe in any regulations for the environment. 

This isn't a "oh yeah, we're going to invest in renewables". 

And I'm sorry but why does Joe Dumbfuck in Kansas get to potentially put the world in peril, just so he can have a job? Maybe he should learn to be in an industry that isn't reliant on fossil fuels. Do you feel sorry for people who used to work at Blockbuster Video who got let go because technology changed and now people watch movies on Netflix? 

Boo fucking hoo. That's also capitalism, industries change with time, some go out of business after being eclipsed by new/better technology. You're not entitled to work in a coal plant from now until the 2050s just because you can't do anything else (or don't want to). 



Aeolus451 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Not investing in new technologies IS going to cost a lot of American jobs in the long run.

Nice strawman. You can still invest in new technologies while saving the jobs and money from a shit deal.

What's soo bad about the deal? That you have to come down to the pollution numbers other countries have per capita? That's not a bad deal, that's a deal which makes every country equal after some years. You can't tell China that they have to reduce the numbers as much as you when they have already numbers not even half of what you have per capita. 



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Here's my 2 cents:

  • The United States will decline as a world power in every way possible faster than you can possibly imagine
  • Trump voters who in the future are affected by climate change, be it something like a hurricane or a flood, don't have the right to complain
  • The Republican party is the scum of the Earth, with their policies they'll kill and injure more Americans than any terrorist organization can dream of
  • Anyone still too lazy to vote in the upcoming 2018 and 2020 elections is scum


Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:
Climate change exists and we need to do something about it but not at the cost of american jobs/money for a barely measurable difference in climate.

If it exists then something needs to be done, I'm sorry but "Joe Average Dumbfuck" in Kansas go find another job other than fucking coal if there is even a fair chance the planet's health is at risk. It's not fair to the rest of the people on the planet that their planet is put at risk because "Muricans need der jobs so they can afford extraneous crap at Wal-Mart for their obese children to fill the void of their unhappy lives". 

Until we have a "back up" planet that we can move to, we should probably errr on the side of caution with the one we have, if you only had one pair of underwear for the rest of your life, it's probably in your best interest to not shit your pants. 

No, we don't need to throw them under the bus. The US is not the world government and the US has already been doing it's part. The other layabouts can do their part without getting money from the US. 



WolfpackN64 said:
He has to do something not only for the environment, since we ARE in an abnormal period of climate change that just can't be a simple collision of natural factors, it would be bad for the US economy in the long run.

The future is solar and green. If other countries start imposing heavier emission laws and banning fossil fuel cars, the US will be hit heavily in it's exports if it languishes.

That would require the countries in the agreement to actually comply with it (which none currently are). I'm not sure the restrictions and timeline stated for "developed countries" is very friendly for energy heavy countries. It'll hurt for several generations before the long term economic benefits.



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Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

Nice strawman. You can still invest in new technologies while saving the jobs and money from a shit deal.

Invest in what? This adminstration does not believe that Climate change is real, period. That's their position. They do not believe in any regulations for the environment. 

This isn't a "oh yeah, we're going to invest in renewables". 

And I'm sorry but why does Joe Dumbfuck in Kansas get to potentially put the world in peril, just so he can have a job? Maybe he should learn to be in an industry that isn't reliant on fossil fuels. Do you feel sorry for people who used to work at Blockbuster Video who got let go because technology changed and now people watch movies on Netflix? 

Boo fucking hoo. That's also capitalism, industries change with time, some go out of business after being eclipsed by new/better technology. You're not entitled to work in a coal plant from now until the 2050s just because you can't do anything else (or don't want to)

Did you watch his speech? Stop making up strawmans. We can use our natural resources while everyone is developing new technology. You don't have to sacrifice one thing for the other. We don't need to kill alot of jobs to reach and accomplish clean energy. Companies from around the world are researching clean energy technologies and space travel. All the US needs to do is keep reducing it's negative effect on the envirnoment to an acceptable level while letting US companies innovate. If the rest of the world wasn't do anything in terms of researching new tech then yes the US should invest heavily in incentivizing  companies into researching clean energy that can meet the demands of the world but that's not the case. Companies are already researching it, though.



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