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Wow, I learned something new. I had no idea that Sony bought Sonic Foundry (original makers of ACID).

Anyway, MS is bad at making OSs. Just plain bad. I mean, seriously, did you never own a copy of ME? Did you never have your system essentially wrecked by XP SP1? Were you not aware that Win98 (probably the best OS they've ever made, other than server software) crashed while Bill Gates was showing it to the world for the first time? They simply suck at what they do, except being good businessmen.

They are good liars, thieves, and cheats, which is what every good businessman aspires to be, and they have made their money from that. Every aspect of the earlier windows OSs were stolen from Xerox, and every version since the first has only been adding more onto an idea they stole. And you know what? Apple stole the same ideas and managed to do them (slightly) better. The only difference is that MS made their product work with generic hardware while MacOS has always worked with Macs. At this point, I think MS would be in for a world of hell if Apple promoted their OS as something that worked on any computer.

No, MS cannot through experience program a better OS than Sony. Frankly, they can't even make a better OS than their existing competition, and nothing is stopping Sony from buying one of those companies out or hiring many of their employees, unless Sony just chooses not to. MS isn't the best at what they do (if you consider OSes to be what they do), and as long as Sony has a dime to their name that means they can always pay someone to do the job better than MS has. Always.



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starcraft said:
ssj12 said:
starcraft said:
totalwar23 said:
Now, I'm scratching my head wondering how this thread turned into flame.

It is quite simple. Never, EVER suggest to ssj12 that Microsoft could do anything REMOTELY right when it comes to software.

I never said that all their software is complete trash. the office suite is good... err.. windows media player is decent. Your argument was basically that Microsoft can't do no wrong when it comes to software. I proved out you wrong.

 

sadly, I programmed my own word processor before and there are other media palyers that support more. Like i said its about what programmers you have on hand. For the major software M$ sucks, plain and simple. This is why it took 3 service packs to make XP or what XP really stands for Xtreme Performance what they originally promised.

But your completely missing what we are discussing.  We are not talking about media players, we are not talking about windows, we are not talking about word processors.

What we are talking about is the OS's of the PS3 and the 360.  As you pointed out, Sony can hire programmers, MS has even more money to hire exactly the same people.  For you to make a blanked statement to the effect of "MS developers suck" is complete crap.  They are highly capable, what limits them is the corporate nature of Microsoft.

At the end of the day, Microsoft has far more in-house software development resources and know-how than Sony does.

End of debate. 

 


Nice spin but if you notice what you said "Never, EVER suggest to ssj12 that Microsoft could do anything REMOTELY right when it comes to software." Which brings all software into the discussion.

Yes, Microsoft programmers might be more capable then what they showoff but thats the thing Microsoft doesnt allow them to program meaning the programmers aka developers in the corporate situation sucks. So yes the developement team sucks because Microsoft is an oppressive dictatorship.

Also BS on more in-house software dev resources and know-how. That's complete BS as any company can create their own and hire programmers that have to know-how. Its just up to the company to use it. This is why HOME is being created, the PSN is more stable, the XMB is clean, etc. As long as you don't oppress your programmers great things happen.  

As for money, there are people who love to program that would be willing to be hired for $40k a year. Money is not that major of a factor.



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starcraft said:
TheRealMafoo said:
starcraft said:

That extra 10MB of RAM is in the GPU and it is additional RAM on top of the already available RAM. It is an advantage it will always have over the PS3, regardless of software updates.

As for the PS3 OS catching the 360 one in terms of usage, I don't think it will happen soon. Microsoft's strong suit is software and OS's, and they had a years headstart.


I called you the "worlds biggest fanboy" in another thread, and I will use examples to demonstrate my point.

Here are two very good ones. First, if the PS3's OS ever became more then 10 meg smaller then the 360's, then in fact, a software update could remove the advantage over the 360. Will it ever happen? Who knows, but making a blanket statement like that, is being a fanboy.

MS is, without question, the worst developer in history when it comes to bloatware. To claim that MS's experience in software development somehow means it can beat another company in generating code with a small footprint is... well... false. The things that make the 360 easy to develop on is the same reason why reducing the size of the OS will be extremely difficult. The fact that Sony's OS is completely new from the ground up (bad for developers), means sony is free to do whatever they want with it. They don't need to tie into MSN Messenger, run DirectX, or tie into any of the XBL stuff. While all that stuff is very cool and great to have, it limits how small the OS can be. Sony has zero obligations to keep anything the same.

Both advantages for Sony.


First point-  If the only way you can win arguments is to call your opposition names, you need to take up debating or mock trial or something.  Better yet, seek counselling.

Second point- The 10Mb is SEPERATE from the main RAM and as such is utilized through different structural processes.  I agree with the other posters that 10MB is not enough, but this particular 'frame-buffer' is something the PS3 would never have, irrespective of how much more or less RAM the PS3's OS used.  Whilst there are of course other ways for devs to take advantage of the PS3's RAM, it will ALWAYS come at the cost of some primary RAM.

Third point- You attack me for "blanket statements" and then go ahead and say "MS is, without question, the worst developer in history when it comes to bloatware."  Comparing Windows with the 360 OS is apples and oranges my friend.  Microsoft's goal with PC's and laptops is to bring in money on peripheral software, thus, bloatware.  Microsoft's goal with the 360's OS is to optomize for gaming, and as the world's largest software company, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone better at doing that.


Yea, because he only called you a name and had absolutley no other argument.........

Anyway, in a fair case between ps3 and 360 wouldn't it be relevent to the joury to know that the person defending the 360 is a huge fan and has been caught showing extreme bias in the past?

 I suggest you quit with all this selfrighteousness and suck it up. Leo-j did it and he's only a kid. It about time you show you a little maturity as well.

edit:^^^I am being sincere and genuin by the way. But I think you'll just see this as a personal jab at you. You'll likely come at me with the usual insult and say I need or help or something...oh well.



@ssj12,

It's interesting that you and I are both software developers (I have been one for 20 years), giving our opinion on MS and having the exact same one, and yet starcraft has a totally different one.

StarCraft, what is it you do for a living anyway?



TheRealMafoo said:
@ssj12,

It's interesting that you and I are both software developers (I have been one for 20 years), giving our opinion on MS and having the exact same one, and yet starcraft has a totally different one.

StarCraft, what is it you do for a living anyway?

 Where is it that you see ssj12 being a software developer? 

His vgchartz user profile is: 

Age:20
Occupation:Head VGC Reviewer and PR Rep
Education:HS Grad
University:Pasco-Hernando Community College

 

And the statement about a software developer willing to work for $40k because they like programming is true but why would they choose $40k over $60k when the $60k job also does the same thing?  



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ssj12 said:

sadly, I programmed my own word processor before and there are other media palyers that support more. 

 

 I guess I should have looked farther. I just assumed it's what he did if he wrote his own word processor.



 
does this make u PS3 owners happier now?

 



 



TheRealMafoo said:
ssj12 said:

sadly, I programmed my own word processor before and there are other media palyers that support more.


I guess I should have looked farther. I just assumed it's what he did if he wrote his own word processor.


Credibility on the internet is like seeing wind. I've done programming before as well, making rudimentary word processors and even programming a text based mmo years ago. That doesn't make me a software developer.



Just hope they release the in game XMB before I buy a PS3. Other than that.... Never really concerns me..



Good for you PS3 owners, wonder how they actually ahcieved it.



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