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Turkish said:
Soundwave said:

Playstation has appeal to every group sure. 

That doesn't mean there isn't a window there for Nintendo. Sure Sony will have 30-40 year olds too, but there also are more than than a few that I think are going to pass on a PS5.

When you get into your 30s-40s the amount of time, you don't have for a lot of people nearly as much time to game. Switch is something where you can scratch your gaming itch on the 20-25 minutes you have on your subway commute to work or that flight you have on a work conference, and still play a little on the TV when you're at home ... rather than the alternative which is basically quit gaming or just game on smart devices. 

A dedicated home console like a PS5 is only really worth it if you play a lot. I'm seeing this already with a lot of my friends in this age range, they basically just bought a PS4 or XB1 out of habit (because they had the previous ones), but those systems get little use now that they're older and don't have the daily schedule they had at age 25. Honestly I think several of them will just pass on a PS5/XB2, not because Sony/MS are doing anything wrong, it's just not worth it anymore. All they want to do is play a little FIFA or NHL and a couple of other titles these days. 

Most people don't even have time as they get older to watch their Netflix back catalog, let alone spend 60 hours+ on a single video game. That works when you are in your 20s, in your 30s that can get very complicated. Of course some do it, but just as many don't. 

I'm not saying Nintendo needs to get everyone here, but say 15-20 million, that would be less than 10% of the combined XB + PS audience, that I think is doable. That's not an outrageous number. If the sales proposition a few years down the line is a Switch that's about on par with a PS4 (Tegra X3 chip) versus a PS5 with betterer 8k graphics or something, I think Nintendo has a decent shot to actually win a chunk of those gamers. Convienance is going to trump just shinier graphics at some point. 

Disagree, people have hours of free time after work. They have more free time at home than commuting. When you're 9-5 you have all evening. Plenty of +30 age people I know come home and crave for a plug n play dedicated machine like the PS4 either for games or series/movies. They get married their wives watch netflix, they get kids their kids ask for CoD or Fifa and the cycle continues. Millions of people watch TV in the evening, prime time is a thing.  Even if they have only 1 hour, thats an episode or 2 of a show or a decent number of online matches. In fact I think Sony said the +30 group is one of their strongest demographic. I think as long as people have homes and TVs, Playstation will always be a thing. With PS Now and PS Vue they've already covered the long term.

That whole commuting argument was played out years ago, people didn't switch over with the DS/PSP, and then came smartphones that were expected to kill consoles. Switch isn't gonna make a difference to the PS install base. People have more responsibilites as they grow yes, but that hasn't negatively affected the Playstation brand in over a decade. Not many people will need an extra device to play games when they have a mobile. Console type games are not short session games so it's not exactly meant for commuting. If I play Zeruda I'd do it for 2-3 hours, when Im 20 minute commuting I'd play some short iOS game or chess. Dont forget that a lot of people buy handhelds and never take it outside, when I buy a Switch it'll be for home use.

I understand what you're saying but I dont see it happening, I want Switch to be successful by taking market share from smart devices, not eating in to console sales.

It is eating (NS) playstation sales rigth now, it's a fact, just don't hurt yourself when that becomes undeniable.



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Teriol said:
Turkish said:

Disagree, people have hours of free time after work. They have more free time at home than commuting. When you're 9-5 you have all evening. Plenty of +30 age people I know come home and crave for a plug n play dedicated machine like the PS4 either for games or series/movies. They get married their wives watch netflix, they get kids their kids ask for CoD or Fifa and the cycle continues. Millions of people watch TV in the evening, prime time is a thing.  Even if they have only 1 hour, thats an episode or 2 of a show or a decent number of online matches. In fact I think Sony said the +30 group is one of their strongest demographic. I think as long as people have homes and TVs, Playstation will always be a thing. With PS Now and PS Vue they've already covered the long term.

That whole commuting argument was played out years ago, people didn't switch over with the DS/PSP, and then came smartphones that were expected to kill consoles. Switch isn't gonna make a difference to the PS install base. People have more responsibilites as they grow yes, but that hasn't negatively affected the Playstation brand in over a decade. Not many people will need an extra device to play games when they have a mobile. Console type games are not short session games so it's not exactly meant for commuting. If I play Zeruda I'd do it for 2-3 hours, when Im 20 minute commuting I'd play some short iOS game or chess. Dont forget that a lot of people buy handhelds and never take it outside, when I buy a Switch it'll be for home use.

I understand what you're saying but I dont see it happening, I want Switch to be successful by taking market share from smart devices, not eating in to console sales.

It is eating (NS) playstation sales rigth now, it's a fact, just don't hurt yourself when that becomes undeniable.

Nah, Switch is selling to the hardcore Nintendo fans right now, it remains to be seen how popular it will remain once they all got their Switches (plural cuz 1 for playing 1 to keep it boxed for collecting). PS4 will be the best selling console this and every year for the remainder of the gen. $199 price cut, bundles, exclusive games, marketing rights to the biggest multiplats. The only thing that can challenge the PS4 is the announcement of PS5, sometimes the truth is hard to accept but it is what it is.



Turkish said:
Teriol said:

It is eating (NS) playstation sales rigth now, it's a fact, just don't hurt yourself when that becomes undeniable.

Nah, Switch is selling to the hardcore Nintendo fans right now, it remains to be seen how popular it will remain once they all got their Switches (plural cuz 1 for playing 1 to keep it boxed for collecting). PS4 will be the best selling console this and every year for the remainder of the gen. $199 price cut, bundles, exclusive games, marketing rights to the biggest multiplats. The only thing that can challenge the PS4 is the announcement of PS5, sometimes the truth is hard to accept but it is what it is.

Wow.

It's amusing how hard some people try to downplay the Switch's success. The denial is real. 

I understand the; 'it remains to be seen how popular it will remain' point, because yes, it is too early to determine the Switch's long term success.

But what you just had to add in afterwards... Yes, every person who bought a Switch is clearly some delusional sheep who whorships a company so much that each and everyone of them have to buy 2 of their systems to keep sealed and never use and that's clearly why it's selling so much. (Of course it can't be because it's just a good product)

If thats the lengths that people have to go to downplay the Switch's success, (even if it's early and too soon to call) it's really just doing the opposite, because that's sad if that's all you have to convince yourself how a company other than the one you like and therefore is the best and everyone who disagrees is wrong has a successful product.



Turkish said:
Teriol said:

It is eating (NS) playstation sales rigth now, it's a fact, just don't hurt yourself when that becomes undeniable.

Nah, Switch is selling to the hardcore Nintendo fans right now, it remains to be seen how popular it will remain once they all got their Switches (plural cuz 1 for playing 1 to keep it boxed for collecting). PS4 will be the best selling console this and every year for the remainder of the gen. $199 price cut, bundles, exclusive games, marketing rights to the biggest multiplats. The only thing that can challenge the PS4 is the announcement of PS5, sometimes the truth is hard to accept but it is what it is.

Outselling Switch for the rest of the gen? Nah.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

Green098 said:
Turkish said:

Nah, Switch is selling to the hardcore Nintendo fans right now, it remains to be seen how popular it will remain once they all got their Switches (plural cuz 1 for playing 1 to keep it boxed for collecting). PS4 will be the best selling console this and every year for the remainder of the gen. $199 price cut, bundles, exclusive games, marketing rights to the biggest multiplats. The only thing that can challenge the PS4 is the announcement of PS5, sometimes the truth is hard to accept but it is what it is.

Wow.

It's amusing how hard some people try to downplay the Switch's success. The denial is real. 

I understand the; 'it remains to be seen how popular it will remain' point, because yes, it is too early to determine the Switch's long term success.

But what you just had to add in afterwards... Yes, every person who bought a Switch is clearly some delusional sheep who whorships a company so much that each and everyone of them have to buy 2 of their systems to keep sealed and never use and that's clearly why it's selling so much. (Of course it can't be because it's just a good product)

If thats the lengths that people have to go to downplay the Switch's success, (even if it's early and too soon to call) it's really just doing the opposite, because that's sad if that's all you have to convince yourself how a company other than the one you like and therefore is the best and everyone who disagrees is wrong has a successful product.

Chill out mang, it's a joke on the Zeruda NPD attach rate, collectors did buy extra copies to keep them sealed.

Im not downplaying it's success, just saying it's only been 2 months since its launch and selling mostly to the early adopter hardcore fans. Some people are acting like it's already sold 100M and dethroned the PS4.

Convenient how you ignored the "It is eating (NS) playstation sales rigth now, it's a fact, just don't hurt yourself when that becomes undeniable" before though, that's not fair, not cool at all. Before your defensive comments I was having a rational discussion with my bruh Soundwave on why PS owners would or wouldn't move to Switch as opposed to the "this guy is bashing the success of Switch, he's in denial!" stuff you came up with.

 

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Turkish said:

Nah, Switch is selling to the hardcore Nintendo fans right now, it remains to be seen how popular it will remain once they all got their Switches (plural cuz 1 for playing 1 to keep it boxed for collecting). PS4 will be the best selling console this and every year for the remainder of the gen. $199 price cut, bundles, exclusive games, marketing rights to the biggest multiplats. The only thing that can challenge the PS4 is the announcement of PS5, sometimes the truth is hard to accept but it is what it is.

Outselling Switch for the rest of the gen? Nah.



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Turkish said:
Soundwave said:

Playstation has appeal to every group sure. 

That doesn't mean there isn't a window there for Nintendo. Sure Sony will have 30-40 year olds too, but there also are more than than a few that I think are going to pass on a PS5.

When you get into your 30s-40s the amount of time, you don't have for a lot of people nearly as much time to game. Switch is something where you can scratch your gaming itch on the 20-25 minutes you have on your subway commute to work or that flight you have on a work conference, and still play a little on the TV when you're at home ... rather than the alternative which is basically quit gaming or just game on smart devices. 

A dedicated home console like a PS5 is only really worth it if you play a lot. I'm seeing this already with a lot of my friends in this age range, they basically just bought a PS4 or XB1 out of habit (because they had the previous ones), but those systems get little use now that they're older and don't have the daily schedule they had at age 25. Honestly I think several of them will just pass on a PS5/XB2, not because Sony/MS are doing anything wrong, it's just not worth it anymore. All they want to do is play a little FIFA or NHL and a couple of other titles these days. 

Most people don't even have time as they get older to watch their Netflix back catalog, let alone spend 60 hours+ on a single video game. That works when you are in your 20s, in your 30s that can get very complicated. Of course some do it, but just as many don't. 

I'm not saying Nintendo needs to get everyone here, but say 15-20 million, that would be less than 10% of the combined XB + PS audience, that I think is doable. That's not an outrageous number. If the sales proposition a few years down the line is a Switch that's about on par with a PS4 (Tegra X3 chip) versus a PS5 with betterer 8k graphics or something, I think Nintendo has a decent shot to actually win a chunk of those gamers. Convienance is going to trump just shinier graphics at some point. 

Disagree, people have hours of free time after work. They have more free time at home than commuting. When you're 9-5 you have all evening. Plenty of +30 age people I know come home and crave for a plug n play dedicated machine like the PS4 either for games or series/movies. They get married their wives watch netflix, they get kids their kids ask for CoD or Fifa and the cycle continues. Millions of people watch TV in the evening, prime time is a thing.  Even if they have only 1 hour, thats an episode or 2 of a show or a decent number of online matches. In fact I think Sony said the +30 group is one of their strongest demographic. I think as long as people have homes and TVs, Playstation will always be a thing. With PS Now and PS Vue they've already covered the long term.

That whole commuting argument was played out years ago, people didn't switch over with the DS/PSP, and then came smartphones that were expected to kill consoles. Switch isn't gonna make a difference to the PS install base. People have more responsibilites as they grow yes, but that hasn't negatively affected the Playstation brand in over a decade. Not many people will need an extra device to play games when they have a mobile. Console type games are not short session games so it's not exactly meant for commuting. If I play Zeruda I'd do it for 2-3 hours, when Im 20 minute commuting I'd play some short iOS game or chess. Dont forget that a lot of people buy handhelds and never take it outside, when I buy a Switch it'll be for home use.

I understand what you're saying but I dont see it happening, I want Switch to be successful by taking market share from smart devices, not eating in to console sales.

Not every 30+ year old is in that boat. Sitting on your couch for 3 hours after work to play video games isn't realistic for a lot of people once they have a fiance/wife + kids especially. 

Smart devices is the reddest ocean there is, and it has the killer app of free games that no console maker can match, they're never going to make real headway there. 

But there are a lot of people IMO who are probably going to drop out of console gaming because they're simply getting older and the form factor of traditional consoles doesn't fit their life style anymore. 

A lot of gamers are going into their 40s this gen, I know a lot of friends who have just stopped playing on consoles pretty much full stop. 

The form factor of the Switch is more in line wit the future of what's coming IMO, giant boxes underneath the TV just to play video games are going to fade away over time IMO. 



Turkish said:

Chill out mang, it's a joke on the Zeruda NPD attach rate, collectors did buy extra copies to keep them sealed.

Im not downplaying it's success, just saying it's only been 2 months since its launch and selling mostly to the early adopter hardcore fans. Some people are acting like it's already sold 100M and dethroned the PS4.

Convenient how you ignored the "It is eating (NS) playstation sales rigth now, it's a fact, just don't hurt yourself when that becomes undeniable" before though, that's not fair, not cool at all. Before your defensive comments I was having a rational discussion with my bruh Soundwave on why PS owners would or wouldn't move to Switch as opposed to the "this guy is bashing the success of Switch, he's in denial!" stuff you came up with.

My apologies for not realising, but I can't tell a difference between someone being serious or joking through text. As for "It is eating (NS) playstation sales rigth now, it's a fact, just don't hurt yourself when that becomes undeniable." I didn't take it in that much because your comment overshadowed it so much, but if you want by view from it you can have it.

I don't think the Switch is eating into PlayStation sales at least not right now from what we can see, which can be a good thing for both consoles as it shows that maybe the Switch isn't competing with the PS4/Xbox One afterall, which is exactly what Nintendo likes to do and is what they go for. As it means while the Switch isn't canablising PS4 sales, it means the PS4 isn't canablising Switch sales. It means that the fact the Switch isn't as powerful as the PS4 will not hinder it which is exactly what Nintendo wants. But that's just my take, like you asked.



Turkish said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8113114

Still confident?



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

Switch is eating PS4 sales lmao? Really😂😂😂😂😂😂😂



I can see that happening, but if time is a huge issue, they most likely will pass on the Switch as well :/



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