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tokilamockingbrd said:
collint0101 said:
My question is why does the right think they are entitled to have their views heard. Free speech goes both ways, you can say whatever you want but people have the right to ignore you or not associate with you.

thus pointing out the rating of the show were very good.

Had it been a shit show with shit ratings this would be easy. ABC cancelled the show despite its success because for their Alinsky based strategy to work you can't let a popular show that runs against your ideology exist.

In order to fully brainwash the populace the left cannot have any viewpoints present other than their own. The reason is simply, leftist views against conservative views get BTFO when examined on an equal plain. In order for the left to actually convince people it has to remove all other views.

huh? The ratings outside of the demographic relevant group were good, but within the demo, they were quite mediocre.



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glimmer_of_hope said:
monocle_layton said:

Yes. I'm sick and tired of threads which purposely label the left or right as demons. It's nothing more than a hypocritical attempt to label oneself as superior (or others as inferior) by portraying others as some sort of bogey-man

Thats life buddy! Anything else and you would be a mindless drone in a world of nothingness! And I am allowed to share my opinion! If you don't like it, then don't read or respond. But no you would rather shut down an entire thread because you don't like it? What a joke.

Life isn't just about polarizing. We can have political discussions without talking about the evil left or right - or even pretending that real people fall evenly into those categories.



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tokilamockingbrd said:
collint0101 said:
My question is why does the right think they are entitled to have their views heard. Free speech goes both ways, you can say whatever you want but people have the right to ignore you or not associate with you.

thus pointing out the rating of the show were very good.

Had it been a shit show with shit ratings this would be easy. ABC cancelled the show despite its success because for their Alinsky based strategy to work you can't let a popular show that runs against your ideology exist.

In order to fully brainwash the populace the left cannot have any viewpoints present other than their own. The reason is simply, leftist views against conservative views get BTFO when examined on an equal plain. In order for the left to actually convince people it has to remove all other views.

Nope, you need to study more history before uttering complete BS the Nazis where far right and once they gained power there was no free speech either.



COKTOE said:

I didn't even know Last Man Standing was a thing that existed. It LOOKS like it's probably a worse version of a show I would sometimes have on when I did the dishes, or was too sick to move, back in the 90's: Home Improvement. I've just learnt about it, yet feel I've seen every episode 9 times. If this show were a member of the X-Men, it's mutant power would be to rob me of my erection.

Great comment totally agree.



Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

 

do you understand what nazi stood for? national socialist workers' party

you calling me clueless is insanely ironic lol 

 

"All groups that spread racism and intollerance are right wingers"

 

you are wrong... please wake up

the spectrum goes from

freedom/right to safety/security/control on the left

The Nazi's started out as a workers party but once Hitler gained power and the night of the long knives happens anything left leaning was pretty much removed from the party and the ended up becoming pro big buisness and anti union and workers rights.  They had absolulty no problem with companies paying their workers slave wages and actually using slave labor.

 

i'll repeat again... you don't know what you are talking about

 

the spectrum goes from control on the left ( communism at the most extreme ) to freedom on the right ( anarchy at the most extreme )

"anti union and workers rights" being against rights and freedoms is as i've said before found on the left of the spectrum

 

the problem is that a lot of people mischaracterise what is on the left and what is on the right

like the people who seek to call religious dogma that suppresses freedoms a chracteristic of the right when its really just another branch of leftist ideology

 

"Also the Nazis main enemies where always the communist so even when they started out they wheren't that left leaning.  Anyway pretty much anybody with a basic knowledge of history classifies the Nazi party as far right wing party.  "

 

lol with this are you trying to imply that there can be no conflict between people with the same type of political ideology?

have you never heard of the conflict between catholics and protestants?

 

and again i'd argue that anyone that calls a socialist a right winger doesn't know what they are talking about... hitler was trying to centrlise everything in germany under government... do you not understand that this is left wing/socialism?



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o_O.Q said:

 

and again i'd argue that anyone that calls a socialist a right winger doesn't know what they are talking about... hitler was trying to centrlise everything in germany under government... do you not understand that this is left wing/socialism?

He wanted absolute power for the state, but..., and this is a major difference, He gave major power to large corporations and basically gave them free reign. Hitler was a capitalist, and an authoritarion one. He has nothing in common with socialism.



The show as on a Friday. Looking at 18-34 or whatever the demo age group ratings is pretty pointless, especially comparing that demo watching with others shows on OTHER days.

The 18-34 crowd does not watch TV on fridays, they are out and about. 



o_O.Q said:
the spectrum goes from control on the left ( communism at the most extreme ) to freedom on the right ( anarchy at the most extreme )

"anti union and workers rights" being against rights and freedoms is as i've said before found on the left of the spectrum

It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about.

Communism is neither the most extreme left-wing, nor is it about control. Indeed, what communism is about is found in its name - "commune". It's about the sharing of wealth and localisation of government. I'm betting you think that China and Russia are (or at least were) communist - they're not, and haven't been within the modern era at least. They're socialist, not communist.

Anarchy is in no way a right wing ideal. More generally, it's NOT a "left is about control, right is about freedom" thing at all. Otherwise, the far right wouldn't be wanting to ban abortion, gay marriage, gay adoption, interracial marriage, immigration, etc.

Indeed, the "wings" refer to the overarching approach to economic issues. The left wing believes in the people collectively having responsibility over the means of production, the right wing believes in the means of production being under the control of those who have proven themselves most capable. These are the "in theory" concepts of the two.

To the far left, you find communism and, a little beyond that, anarchism. To the far right, you find capitalism, and beyond that, fascism.

Of course, this is the simplistic way of characterising things. A more accurate way to capture the concept is to use the "two-dimensional" approach, as seen in sites like "political compass". The simplest way to understand this approach is that it separates two different kinds of "freedom/control" logics. On one axis, you find economic control (regulation) vs economic freedom ("free market"), while on the other axis, you find social control (authoritarianism) vs social freedom.

The "far right" capitalism would fall under the extreme "economic freedom + social control" combination in one corner. In the opposite corner, you'll find communism. Freedom on both axes is anarchism, while control on both axes is fascism.

To give a sense of how powerful this separation is in truly understanding things, consider the Nazis. They weren't especially economically liberal or conservative. Indeed, on the economic axis, they were quite centrist. But they were very, very authoritarian. This is why you often hear arguments between people about whether the Nazis were left or right wing - effectively, they were neither.

Libertarians lie not far from anarchists, in the corner with "freedom" on both axes.

Note that most of the American 'left wing' is actually right-of-centre, as the world would judge it. And Donald Trump is actually less in favour of the free market than Hillary Clinton - this image may help you to calibrate how it all lies:

And let's be clear - this axis isn't skewed in favour of putting the "left" in the centre. Here's the equivalent chart for 2008:

Also note that "libertarian" on the bottom isn't referring to the US political movement, which is actually what you might call the "libertarian right".

Oh, and here's one more - this is 2016 Democratic and Republican primary delegate-winners:

These were the positions that the candidates were in during the primaries (notice that Trump moved to the centre on economic issues because he didn't have to focus so much on the base, while Clinton moved slightly to the right because she no longer had to deal with Sanders?).

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But then, given much of the rest of what you said, it's clear that your definitions of "left" and "right" roughly equate to "people I agree with are right, and people I disagree with are left". Otherwise, you wouldn't be lumping far-right authoritarian religious groups that want the government to get out of their pocket with far-left hippy government-should-fund-my-lifestyle-whatever-that-is types. They're literally polar opposites on every single issue, and you consider both to be "left" because they're both somehow about "control".



WolfpackN64 said:
o_O.Q said:

 

and again i'd argue that anyone that calls a socialist a right winger doesn't know what they are talking about... hitler was trying to centrlise everything in germany under government... do you not understand that this is left wing/socialism?

He wanted absolute power for the state, but..., and this is a major difference, He gave major power to large corporations and basically gave them free reign. Hitler was a capitalist, and an authoritarion one. He has nothing in common with socialism.

you are contradicting yourself

"He wanted absolute power for the state"

"He has nothing in common with socialism"



o_O.Q said:
WolfpackN64 said:

He wanted absolute power for the state, but..., and this is a major difference, He gave major power to large corporations and basically gave them free reign. Hitler was a capitalist, and an authoritarion one. He has nothing in common with socialism.

you are contradicting yourself

"He wanted absolute power for the state"

"He has nothing in common with socialism"

I'm not, Socialism is not by nature authoritarian or statist. Authoritarianism can be left or right or centre, but the economical difference distinguishes Fascism from Communism (as in Soviet Communism).