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KLXVER said:
Men and women are equal in the western world now. They have the same rights. Women might even have a few more. Its not needed here anymore. Go fight for women in places were they barely have any rights.

Yet in The Netherlands woman get paid less for the same job and are less present in the public and private top. Even though more woman graduate from universities than man in the Netherlands. So there are still issues to fight for. However those don't include whining at every form of objectification and some sort of patriarch which keeps woman down in society. Nor does it mean that every man that doesn't think the differences between male and female in Western society are relevant is sexist. Anyway I do agree that Western society shouldn't be the main focus of these so called third generation feminists.



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Zoombael said:
Fasc-ism, Commun-ism, Fundamental-ism, Rac-ism... Femin-ism.

I rest my case.

You forgot to add Capitalism and Sexism.



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SpokenTruth said:
Jpcc86 said:

Its about not looking down or stereotyping women in the workplace, home or any enviroment, not about them having the same legal rights as men, which they currently already do... Sort of, cause the wife always gets the children after a divorce, like, wtf? what if the husband is the one with the steady jon and emotional stability? I call bs. 

Because that is BS.  Mothers don't always get the child when contested.  However, fathers don't often fight for custody or you'll have a conservative judge that think it's a woman's job to raise kids and awards the mother regardless.

I have nothing to back it up but I think the system is a much bigger issue than fathers simply not fighting for their kids. I also believe some fathers choose not to fight because they believe the battle is lost beforehand.

Jpcc86 said:
SpokenTruth said:

Because that is BS.  Mothers don't always get the child when contested.  However, fathers don't often fight for custody or you'll have a conservative judge that think it's a woman's job to raise kids and awards the mother regardless.

But thats a common mentality even today isnt it? And I think feminists should tackle that. And it barely even touches the subject.  

They do tackle that though. By fighting against the idea that it's the mother's role to take care of the children. It's a slow progress for sure, and it's slowed down further by conservatives and radical feminists, but we're getting there.

Zoombael said:
Fasc-ism, Commun-ism, Fundamental-ism, Rac-ism... Femin-ism.

I rest my case.

Capital-ism, Social-ism, Liberal-ism, Dada-ism, Tao-ism...

I honestly don't understand what the purpose of listing words that ends with -ism is supposed to be.



Qwark said:
Zoombael said:
Fasc-ism, Commun-ism, Fundamental-ism, Rac-ism... Femin-ism.

I rest my case.

You forgot to add Capitalism and Sexism.

And activism, rationalism, progressivism, abolitionism, professionalism, patriotism, egalitarianism 

Well damn, I guess you can add the sufix -ism to most things, regardless of what they are.



Jaicee said:

"The opposite of a gamer is a feminist."

I hear that expression all the time, from both gamers and feminists alike. There seems to be a general consensus that gamers cannot be feminists and vice versa. You know, this mentality is why I for one appreciate fringe organizations like the ever-controversial Feminist Frequency that say it's okay to be both, at the same time and everything. (Not that I ALWAYS agree with them, but I appreciate the crux of what they do.) But you know, these types of groups obviously don't represent the cultural mainstream of either scene. That's why of late I've taken to gauging the opinions of more mainstream feminists and here I hope to do so for more mainstream gamers as well. In a feminist hangout of mine, I recently asked why gaming is evil. Here I want to ask why you think makes feminists evil. I hope I can bridge this gap a little bit so that, you know, maybe people like me won't be so stigmatized as traitors everywhere we go.

First off, let's clarify what I mean when I say that I'm a feminist. By that I mean that I count myself as an advocate for the rights of women and support the establishment of equal social relations between men and women and indeed people of all genders. I don't mean something other than that. (I have to say that because apparently lots of people confuse feminism for female supremacy.)

Anyway, that established, the arguments that I hear from feminists against gaming seem to basically trace to Gamergate, which gets stupidly conflated with the attitudes of the gaming community writ large. That seems to be at the root of much of this enmity from their perspective.

I'm guessing that conversely the general attitude toward feminists here is that feminists just want all games to pander to women or whatever bullshit like that. And I'm guessing that this stupid attitude is also rooted in a massive double-standard wherein the people who view feminists that way never complain when games (far more often) pander to men (or don't even recognize it as pandering because they're so used to it that it just seems like the natural order of things). Something like that. Am I right? Is that why you think feminists are evil and cannot be 'real gamers' or whatever?

(The moral of this post is that stereotypes suck ass.)

Being a proponent for equality doesn't make you a feminist, it's actually quite the opposite. It is egilatarians that actually see feminism evil.

Feminism, just like any other faschist ideology, starts with a premise that there's a group of people by birth that prevent the people who the power would belong to from having the power. In feministic consept, all women are oppressed as long as one woman is oppressed, and because women are oppressed, they need special rights (that men don't have) in order to be equal. Such as being hired to a job because of one's gender, or getting paid the same for less work (productivity) because of gender. Kids custody should be based on parent's gender, and the list goes on.

From the social justice view of feminism, because women have been oppressed by men, men collectively are in debt for women, and men and women are equal only after the debt has been paid. 

So, the equality part is only true in rhetorics and feminism/female view, whereas in real world and egilatarian/male view, it's just a female supremacist movement.

Now you're going to say that feminism is about men's rights too, but it's just that there are so many issues with women's rights that they need to be dealt first. Which takes us back to the beginning making the whole "feminism is equality" argument circular logic in the same fashion religious people try to prove god exists: there is a god because the bible says so, and we know bible is true because it's word of god.



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It is a hate movement that follows a narrative that all women are helpless victims and all men are violent oppressors that live an extremely priveleged life without any problems, what a load of BS. They also hate men just for existing not some men but all men, They can't stand it when men outperform women in certain professions and frame it as discrimination, They even try to say that guys doing better in maths and science is somehow sexist lol. Their hatred for men far outweighs there drive to improve the lot of women even though it doesn't need improving because they have every right a man has and more.



Metroid33slayer said:
It is a hate movement that follows a narrative that all women are helpless victims and all men are violent oppressors that live an extremely priveleged life without any problems, what a load of BS. They also hate men just for existing not some men but all men, They can't stand it when men outperform women in certain professions and frame it as discrimination, They even try to say that guys doing better in maths and science is somehow sexist lol. Their hatred for men far outweighs there drive to improve the lot of women even though it doesn't need improving because they have every right a man has and more.

you are taking the talking points of very few extremists and project them on an incredibly broad movement - that's very very sad generalization

Zoombael said:
Fasc-ism, Commun-ism, Fundamental-ism, Rac-ism... Femin-ism.

I rest my case.

and human-ism, altru-ism, pacif-ism



Lafiel said:
Metroid33slayer said:
It is a hate movement that follows a narrative that all women are helpless victims and all men are violent oppressors that live an extremely priveleged life without any problems, what a load of BS. They also hate men just for existing not some men but all men, They can't stand it when men outperform women in certain professions and frame it as discrimination, They even try to say that guys doing better in maths and science is somehow sexist lol. Their hatred for men far outweighs there drive to improve the lot of women even though it doesn't need improving because they have every right a man has and more.

you are taking the talking points of very few extremists and project them on an incredibly broad movement - that's very very sad generalization

I don't think he's generalizing on purpose, because, at least from my experience, most feminists I ran into were almost exactly like that.

I do hope you're right tho, and the majority is actually not like that...



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Lafiel said:
Metroid33slayer said:
It is a hate movement that follows a narrative that all women are helpless victims and all men are violent oppressors that live an extremely priveleged life without any problems, what a load of BS. They also hate men just for existing not some men but all men, They can't stand it when men outperform women in certain professions and frame it as discrimination, They even try to say that guys doing better in maths and science is somehow sexist lol. Their hatred for men far outweighs there drive to improve the lot of women even though it doesn't need improving because they have every right a man has and more.

you are taking the talking points of very few extremists and project them on an incredibly broad movement - that's very very sad generalization


Yes, but that would make 90% of them extremists. Let's say that we have a "movement" that supports agendas/thesis 1,2 and 3 (because of common goal for example). Each agenda would be supported by, say 30% of people, and the rest would support all of the agendas. You'd say that the 10% that would support all of the agendas would be extremists, even if all the thesis were individually equally extreme. And as the movement consists of all three thesis, supporting the movement would automatically mean supporting all three agendas, that only the extremists namely supported.



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