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VGPolyglot said:
StarOcean said:
1 and 4 won't happen. You'd be naive to think otherwise. Those are the driving forces of most major religions if people can't be that way with fucking video games, what makes you think people would be that way with religion?

Yes, Final Fantasy X is the best game ever, and there's no debating it!

Final Fantasy is actually a great example in that regard. The major groups, 6, 7, and 10 fans all believe their game is perfect and wont hesistate to either attack, or belittle someone else who believes otherwise



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You can believe whatever you want.
However, if these beliefs are clearly based on hate or discrimination, you should not be allowed to spread them.



VGPolyglot said:
bdbdbd said:

Of course they should. What counts is if the deeds cause harm to anyone.

I don't like islam either, but I'm willing to accept them having their beliefs as long as they don't cause harm to anyone. You have quite a faschistic views considering your black flag. What would be your solution? Nuke the islamic world altogether?

What? The black in my flag represents anarchism, not fascism. In fact, I am heavily against the United States' bombing campaigns in the Middle East because it kills a lot of innocent people.

how do you force everyone to be in the same class under communism while pomoting anarchy at the same time?

and if everyone is forced to be at the same level... who ensures that this is maintained if no one has more power than anyone else?



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

What? The black in my flag represents anarchism, not fascism. In fact, I am heavily against the United States' bombing campaigns in the Middle East because it kills a lot of innocent people.

how do you force everyone to be in the same class under communism while pomoting anarchy at the same time?

and if everyone is forced to be at the same level... who ensures that this is maintained if no one has more power than anyone else?

Anarchy is a socialist movement, so it's not mutually exclusive with communism. Ideally, everyone would ensure it, because nobody would want somebody else to attempt to take power over them.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

how do you force everyone to be in the same class under communism while pomoting anarchy at the same time?

and if everyone is forced to be at the same level... who ensures that this is maintained if no one has more power than anyone else?

Anarchy is a socialist movement, so it's not mutually exclusive with communism. Ideally, everyone would ensure it, because nobody would want somebody else to attempt to take power over them.

You do realize that that goes heavily against human nature? The desire to gain power will always exist.



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palou said:
VGPolyglot said:

Anarchy is a socialist movement, so it's not mutually exclusive with communism. Ideally, everyone would ensure it, because nobody would want somebody else to attempt to take power over them.

You do realize that that goes heavily against human nature? The desire to gain power will always exist.

Humans are naturally social, as we needed to coordinate for hunting and gathering purposes. So, it's natural to work together, we just need to eliminate the economic system that supports competition.



Beliefs? Yes. Actions? No.



VGPolyglot said:
palou said:

You do realize that that goes heavily against human nature? The desire to gain power will always exist.

Humans are naturally social, as we needed to coordinate for hunting and gathering purposes. So, it's natural to work together, we just need to eliminate the economic system that supports competition.

Humans are naturaly hierarchical. In any larger groupment of people, ever, someone took decisional rights over others.



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palou said:
VGPolyglot said:

Humans are naturally social, as we needed to coordinate for hunting and gathering purposes. So, it's natural to work together, we just need to eliminate the economic system that supports competition.

Humans are naturaly hierarchical. In any larger groupment of people, ever, someone took decisional rights over others.

Generally speaking yeah that seems to be the case. Even when we contact tribes of people who have been living in isolation (in some cases no contact with the modern world), there is still very much a hierarchy. 

Most animal species have hierarchies too. 



VGPolyglot said:

No. Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia and xenophobia should not be tolerated.

Unfortunately, nearly all of those terms you've used have been expanded over the last few decades to cover thousands of distinct opinions. Almost none of those words actually mean much in 2017.

So you can't be intolerant of them because they're not even coherent concepts at present.