It's ok cause they are fighting the evil forces of Assad who are fighting ISIS in Syria, but US has no problem bombing civilians to fight ISIS in Iraq. They're also against the evil Islamist Iran but fully support Saudi Arabia that's even more extremist.
Yeah USA doesn't intentionally do bad things
And has the chemical weapons use been proven? Or is this 2003 all over again?
The anthropomorphising of these casaulties is making the West weak. Stop with the humanization, we didn't care to do this throughout most of history and now we're being shackled by it. It's war.
| Eagle367 said: What the hell goes through your head? How can you justify the murder of innocents? You talk about war zones and collateral damage like we are not talking about humans rather inanimate or worthless objects. When things get destroyed that's collateral damage but when innocent humans die that's not. But then you forget about USA drone strikes in Pakistan which is not a war zone and the USA has no damn business being in the airfield of a sovereign nation and no one asked them to be. Then you talk about Syria as if the USA needs to be there when its clearly not the case. You say if USA does nothing then Daesh influence will spread but forget that a syrian army exists and a leader and the USA is being a thorn in its side instead of helping it fight terrorists and actively wants to kill the leader which will further destabilize Syria but USA doesn't care. They are not wanted nor needed there. The USA also supports the terrorists in Syria but calls them rebels. There are attacks by rebels which are war crimes but the USA and its media cover it up by saying Assad's government did it just like back in Iraq when the UN told the world there were no WMDs in Iraq but USA invaded anyway without a care for truth or reality. Now look at Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan as compared to 30-40 years ago when USA hadn't even thought about attacking them.You say civilians have to die in a war but it looks like you feel nothing when each month USA kills by the thousands many civilians but are all over the web tweeting about an attack in France that killed less than a hundred people. One idiot even talked about civilians not being civilians but terrorists in disguise. So, what goes through your head? How much brainwashed are you? |
Wait, I'm confused. Assad is comitting war crimes, he's killing hundreds if not thousands of innocents. And according to him, those civilians are terrorists.
From my understanding, you would rather help Assad? An idiot, according to you. But I guess you don't care about the innocents he kills considering you call Syria "stabilized" with him in power.
See... I can make stupid assumptions and generalize too.
Whether we bomb them or just sit by idly watching we're still letting a bunch of innocent people die.
Maybe we should just let them be, I don't know the solution. There's no easy answer either way you look at it, many people will die. It's not that people look at them as inanimate, worthless objects. But there is no solution that results in no one dying.
I don't know enough about the situation over there (or recent events relating to it) to comment on whether it's justified or not, but if you're interested in having a discussion with those who do think it is, you'd be best off not framing it as the "murder" of innocents. Constructive discussions require a degree of good faith from both sides. People can be wrong, but it's rare for them to be actively evil. If they believe something, there's almost always an underlying reason as to why they feel that way. You can't change someone's position until you understand how they ended up at it.
| kopstudent89 said: And has the chemical weapons use been proven? Or is this 2003 all over again? |
I have to admit I don't really know, but considering how all sides have been talking about chemical weapons and been mainly arguing about who used them, I'd say chemical weapons were used by someone. Besides, information is leaking out of Syria all the time. How reliable all that information is is a good question, but there's tons of information available. It's not like it's only politicians claiming something this time.
| Final-Fan said: Whether or not it's deserved, chemical weapons are seen as especially vile in the West. You can massacre people with guns or swords and people will say it's wrong, but kill the same number with mustard gas and you get Tomahawk missiles to the face. To be fair, I believe that the collateral damage you decry is a lot less avoidable when chemical weapons are being used. From what I've heard, the rebels that the US and other Western nations are sympathetic to have not been using chemical weapons but the Assad regime is. Non-favored groups such as ISIS have used them occasionally, probably at the same rate that they get their hands on some -- but the mainstream rebels have certainly been in a position for the last few years to acquire and use them if they were inclined to, but (AFAIK) haven't. Eagle, what is your position on the issue that I have described above? |
Well, the United States was fine with Iraq using weapons during the Iran-Iraq war, and they used them during the Vietnam War, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they used them more than any other country.
| contestgamer said: The anthropomorphising of these casaulties is making the West weak. Stop with the humanization, we didn't care to do this throughout most of history and now we're being shackled by it. It's war. |
You do realize that they're humans? It's absurd to tell people to stop humanizing humans. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like being blown up and killed just because there was some guy hostile to a foreign government.
| Zekkyou said: I don't know enough about the situation over there (or recent events relating to it) to comment on whether it's justified or not, but if you're interested in having a discussion with those who do think it is, you'd be best off not framing it as the "murder" of innocents. Constructive discussions require a degree of good faith from both sides. People can be wrong, but it's rare for them to be actively evil. If they believe something, there's almost always an underlying reason as to why they feel that way. You can't change someone's position until you understand how they ended up at it. |
Uhh, the United States has murdered innocents:
If you want more recent, they've tortured people in Iraq:
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US should get out of the Middle East, you're right.
Let them wipe themselves off the face of the Earth. I imagine if the US really went non-interventionist, Saudi Arabia and Iran would nuke each other in about 10 years and solve it all via nuclear holocaust pretty quickly.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
| mrstickball said: US should get out of the Middle East, you're right. Let them wipe themselves off the face of the Earth. I imagine if the US really went non-interventionist, Saudi Arabia and Iran would nuke each other in about 10 years and solve it all via nuclear holocaust pretty quickly. |
It's hard to do that when they don't have nuclear weapons.
VGPolyglot said:
You do realize that they're humans? It's absurd to tell people to stop humanizing humans. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like being blown up and killed just because there was some guy hostile to a foreign government. |
Yeah, but its creating false equivalency between them and people in the west. It's not equal. Humanizing them doesn't serve any purpose to our own interests. It's trying to protect the interest of another group to our detriment and that's not right.
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