Isn't that agreeing with what he said?

US government wanted Radical Islamization of ME countries until it turned back to bite. It was their biggest tool in taming an area where religious belief trumps secular ideologies. More than want, they needed it.

US government is the highest representation of American people; when the military goes to war, America goes to war and whenever it gets attacked American people gets attacked. It's black and white, no one else represents the American people, whether you like it or not.

What are your thoughts on the thread title? It's a bit deceptive (as the report says allegedly) and there is contradicting information from other sources.

I haven't looked at the other sources (I would like to see those too to see the bigger picture). However, looking at the cited article from the OP, it definitely said 'allegedly' along with other qualifiers. I'll edit that in the thread title for accuracy purposes.

Yeah, I'm looking at actions and its not the US's fault hundreds of thousands are dead and millions are leaving Syria.

Yes that's what I said. They are wahhabis, their history has been founded on religious extremism. It's a damn shame they are allowed to influence the region so much. I'm a bit happy they've wasted half their cash reserve on Yemen adn finally look like they're pulling their hand out of some things but they're still a huge problem

Let's say I agree, I don't think we're discussing just Syria here. It's in the first line in the OP. Can't you read?

Once again, you are showing me why asking you to read history was a mistake, you can't even read the first line of the OP.

I've read been contradicting opinions on the financial stituation of the Gulf states in general. It seems that the economical "troubles" of Saudi Arabia in particular are overblown. I don't know what's the point of making those troubles bigger than they seem, but there's definitely something fishy going on there.

Trust me..  they have big financial problems. I'm not talking about Gulf states just Saudi. They just reverted to a Gregorian calender from the Lunar one for the first time in history to have the yearly paycheck be accounted for 365 days instead of 355. Also business is just bad. Many people from my country work there and it's the worst it's ever been.

They're doing a good job of trying to hide it though and obviously they don't want to make it public so that the people don't turn on them. They still have a lot of cash reserve obviously but over the last 20 years they didn't invest in other industries and remained too dependant on oil, something other Gulf states did a bit better, and then they wasted some $300-400b on recent wars so it's not a good sign.

I don't think that sort of sectarianism solves anything. Anyone who tries to look "moderate" blames the salafis, then the salafis blame the shia or asha'ira (other groups) - it's an endless exercise of finger pointing that gets little done. The Saudi administration is nowhere near "wahhabi" - they are far removed from Islam as a whol, in fact. They do, of course, endorse a certain breed of Salafi (madkhalis) as that suits their agenda but that movement is hardly gaining traction, they are shut down anywhere they appear and not taken seriously at all. The decline of the monarchy is impending but the Muslims you call "wahhabi" will remain so it is important to draw certain distinctions or this blame game, that sometimes leads to bloodshed, will continue.

The West has attempted that, they began over 100 years ago in fact, and it worked to some extent but it's being undone in many Muslim lands and communities, as the youth wake up to their rich heritage and culture thankfully.

It is interesting to see the deep-rooted bigotry and racism inherent in some of the responses. For example, that one guy suggesting life wasn't as valuable in that part of the world LOL ok then. I do not say that you are a bad person but rather that you posess some ideals that show exactly how much of a farce the "tolerant, free" Western society is.


I posted this earlier, if you missed it I highly suggest giving it a read: http://www.hizb-australia.org/2017/04/bureaucratising-violence-is-the-world-really-moving-forward/