Even if the Switch manges to outperform the X1, that doesn't mean Switch gets great support by default. The Switch audience won't buy core games like the Xbox audience. DS had a lot of support but there wasn't a ton of quality, it was probably a cheap platform to support. Making Switch games is a different thing, especially if doesn't have the power to easily port games to.

Sony's version of the Switch leaked? But they made Vita anyway? A device that doesn't connect to the TV. Its evident Sony didn't know where the market was going but had ideas.

Nintendo pushes lower power machines because its cheaper, lower risk, and its primarily exclusive content that pushes hardware anyway.

I agree Sony's primary focus was PS3 over They still made an effort to get notable content on that device but they also turned people off with the dumb gimmicks especially those found in Uncharted:GA. Either way, smart phones hurt portable consoles and primarily Sony devices.

Switch is indeed for gamers but there are different audiences. The same audience buying Nintendo platforms aren't buying the popular games on X1 and PS4.

Again, even if Switch could become #2, I don't see it at a real competitor of X1 and PS4. It will succeed doing its own thing.

They had a 1 year advantage.

They will likely have a 100-150$ price advantage.

They went for a checkerboard technique, that ment they didnt need as much power = cheaper console.

It wont be as pretty a 4k picture as the Scorpio's, but for the avg consumer, both will be 4k box's and they ll be left looking at the price of the system.

Only time can tell ultimately but I personally dont think it was a mistake.

Sales will tell I guess, if a year or two from now we get numbers from sony/ms about the Pro & Scorpio.

Eh... I guess it depends on what you personally enjoy. There are certainly DS games I enjoy but I was a bigger fan of GBA.

Thats the thing though... what you are saying sin't possible either. People keep saying this thing a lot. A PS4 portable...... but when I see that I just think to myself that these people don't really know how hardware works.

The switch in docked mode has a peak power draw of around 17watts. Mind you, thats 17watts for the entire system so it covers everything that requires power to run in the switch and not just the APU. The PS4 on the other hand draws a max 140watt of power. Thats like 7 TIMES more power needed!!!! And this isn't even taking int consideration that sony would have to make cart versions of all its PS4 games or go all digital and still put in a significant sized nad flash module(s) in the unit (which is way more expensive than throwing in a HDD.

For there to be a PS4 portable, max power consumption has to come down to around 20watt. Even shifting to a 7nm node..... thats just not possible.

Alright, lets put our preferences aside here and be honest.

1. The same argument can't be made because of the CPU. When the new consoles come along, we are not ging to be looking at just significant GPU boosts compared to their older brothers. We are going to be looking at significant improvements in bothe the CPU and GPU. The better CPU means there are games that would be made that just wouldn't be possible to make on the PS4/PS4pro and the XB1s/XB1SC. That is what marks a generational jump as oppoed to an incremental one.
   
   
2. You see you contradicted yourself here. So they should have gone for broke and made a $499 machine for what would turn out to be less than 10% of their yearly sales? How does that make any sense. What they did was make a machne that give gamers a passable "4k" experience. So those that want to hop into 4k even those doing so on a budget, have a cheap budget minded 4k console to go with it. Unless of course you are trying to say that the more expensive hardware will always sell better.
   
   
3. Underdelivered how? What were you expecting? or what are you suggesting will happen with the scorpio. If you think the scorpio is somehow going to amount to 50% or more of the XB1's yearly total sales then you are in for a very big surprise. No one thats waited this long to buy a console is going to do so now because there are more expoensive versions of the already existing consoles on the market. The scorpio will sell primarily to people that already own an XB1 and care about upgrading. At least 90% of its sales will be made of those kinda gamers, as is the case with the PS4pro.

You never want to be last in this industry, so no.

No not really, it's less powerful, it's also going to be cheaper.

Neither device is aimed at the mass-market like their 1080p counterparts, If they were the start of a new generation I'd maybe say yes, but as it is it's not really an issue for PlayStation.

Sometimes I think that people believe this "console war" is actually real.

Course not, power doesn't matter anymore.

1. We'll have to wait and see if the new console CPUs are total game changer. I don't think that will be the case.

2. PS4 Pro is a contradiction. Its the premium console for 4K TVs, but it too rarely does 4K. Passable resolution, sure. But again a more capable console that did 4K and even did a better job boosting performance in non-Pro games would have been more desireable. $499 is still pretty reasonable for a premium device designed to work on cutting edge TVs. For those on a budget, get a PS4 Slim.

3. PS4 Pro underdelivered for a premium console. Which is why you see a lot of people saying its not a big enough improvment to justify the purchase. Again, I believe people wanted more power with the Pro.

1. Look at it from a tech stand point. When we went from 28nm fabrication to 14/16nm, what that should have allowed is for as much as a theoretical 4 times boost in overall performance. Basically you can fit 4 times more transitors in the sme amount of space (in a perfect world). What we ended up with are the CPUs basically remaining the same but clocked higher (another way to go with a node shrink) and the GPUs doubling (PS4pro from 18CU to 36CU) and almost quadripling (Scorpio from 12CU to 40CU). 
   
   Now remember that the CPU has been so far left prtty much untouched.
   
   The next consoles will be on a 7/10nm node around 2020. So we can expect a similar boost in GPU perfromance of at least double or quadriple what we have in the PS4pro/Scorpio and/or even higher clocks for the GPU or a combination of both. So we will see at least 70CU - 140CU GPUs or 70CU GPUs that run at twice the clock of what we have now with the PS4pro. So basically 70CU running at 1.8Ghz which will be around a 4 times boost in perfromance going from the PS4pro to the PS5.
   
   And the CPU front, we are likely to see not one, but a two node shrink jump in performance. This doesn't mean we will suddenly have 32 core CPUs cause that will be a nightmare to programme for, but rather the same 8 cores but with each core having 4 times the transistors and other improvements than what we have today. And of course running at higher clocks. 
   
   So basically, just looking at the tech, looking at what has come before and how tech usually works..... the next consoles will have an at least 3-4 times jump in CPU and GPU performance from the PS4pro (using the pro as the base andnot the scorpio cause the next consoles also have tocome in at entry level pricing). 
   
   That will be a SIGNIFICANT jump. And this is before we even start talking about all the other things like Ram, bandwidth, I/O....etc.
   
   
2. This is because you still don't get it or choose to look at it the wrong way. The PS4 is a 4k console. But only as far as it supporting 4k TVs and a resolution higher than 1080p. Its the same way the XB1 supports 1080p tvs but most of its games run natively at 900p or less. What the PS4 has done or does, is double its pixel performance. Thats the world it lives in. Going up from 2M to 4M pixels, then using reconstruction or in other cases upscaling to go up to 4k. 
   
   You keep saying this more desireable and ignore that fact that this stop gap bump is just enough for a lot of people. They are at least getting a noticeably better IQ than what they had with 1080p. You also need to understand that when you start adding pixels, it gets even harder to tell them apart. 
   
   
3. Now this may shock you, but....... the PS4 is NOT a premium console. Its a version of the PS4 that has a bigger HDD and does/supports 4k gaming. By the time its all said and done, its a budget 4k console. The scorpio is going to be what ends up being a premium console; and the funny thing is that its not because of its hardware improvements (because if anyone really wanted to make a proper 4k console now it would have ended up being the scorpio) but its premium because its just a significantly more expensive way of playing the same games that exist on the XB1s. 
   
   Take this into consideration. By the time the scorpio is released, there could also be a $200 PS4/XB1s on the market. Now even if the scorpio costs $399 (which is highly unlikely but possible) it would be costing twice as much than the XB1s/PS4. This is even a lot worse if its costs $499. Especially when at the time the PS4 pro could cost as little as $299-$350.
   
   just think about this. Scorpio $499. PS4pro $299/$349. PS4/XB1 $199.