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VGPolyglot said:
Valdath said:

I get the socialist sentiment, i don't agree with it but on the surface it's a noble cause.

 

But how do you expect the world to embrace it when the majority of people want nothing to do with it? authoritarianism seems like the only way to implement it.

Unless of course you want a peaceful transition.

Of course the majority of people want nothing to do with it, that's what happens when centuries of propaganda by  the elite tell their rcitizens that it's a bad thing. The only way that it could work is with a worldwide revolution, because if it isn't it's either going to be attacked and defeated by hostile enemies, or it's going to become authoritarian and repressive as a way to maintain power.

So what's exactly a "revolution"? killing peasant farmers successful enough to own a horse and maybe employ someone like in the soviet union? Or you'll go at the actual big fish instead of just anyone who opposes you?

Careful with that propaganda thing, that's exactly how an authoritarian behaves... "i know better".



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LadyJasmine said:

Well I dont agree with getting involved but unlike Obama he is atleast doing something in Syria then making made up redlines. 

I'm also not a fan of the United States taking police action around the world, but someone had to do something about this.



Valdath said:
VGPolyglot said:

Of course the majority of people want nothing to do with it, that's what happens when centuries of propaganda by  the elite tell their rcitizens that it's a bad thing. The only way that it could work is with a worldwide revolution, because if it isn't it's either going to be attacked and defeated by hostile enemies, or it's going to become authoritarian and repressive as a way to maintain power.

So what's exactly a "revolution"? killing peasant farmers successful enough to own a horse and maybe employ someone like in the soviet union? Or you'll go at the actual big fish instead of just anyone who opposes you?

Careful with that propaganda thing, that's exactly how an authoritarian behaves... "i know better".

Uhh, it's supposed to be the workers and the peasants doing the revolution, so it would't make sense for them to be the ones being killed. Obviously a peaceful revolution would be preferred, but I have a feeling that a government with a military, a police force and a sophisticated prison and spying network is not going to willingly give up its power.



kopstudent89 said:
Miguel_Zorro said:

Trump is a lot of things, but I don't believe that he's a neocon.  His political stances are too all over the place to put him in that box.

Trump is just a tool for the cabinet and a distraction for the nation. Maybe he didn't intend to be that but certainly that's how he is being used.

I believe he had good intentions but they are probably blackmailing him with some heavy stuff, and that's his fault, shouldn´t have gotten into politics if your ass wasn´t clean.

 

 

That or he always was controlled opposition.



Valdath said:
kopstudent89 said:

Trump is just a tool for the cabinet and a distraction for the nation. Maybe he didn't intend to be that but certainly that's how he is being used.

I believe he had good intentions but they are probably blackmailing him with some heavy stuff, and that's his fault, shouldn´t have gotten into politics if your ass wasn´t clean.

 

 

That or he always was controlled opposition.

I'm pretty sure he never had good intentions. I was more against Hillary though cause she's just a straight up psycopath with history of blood during her time as secretary of state.

End of the day, as long as the cabinet and congress are controlled by $$ then intentions especially during war are never good. Trump can't deal with these things and so others have taken over and can manipulate him and his power



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kopstudent89 said:
Valdath said:

I believe he had good intentions but they are probably blackmailing him with some heavy stuff, and that's his fault, shouldn´t have gotten into politics if your ass wasn´t clean.

 

 

That or he always was controlled opposition.

I'm pretty sure he never had good intentions. I was more against Hillary though cause she's just a straight up psycopath with history of blood during her time as secretary of state.

End of the day, as long as the cabinet and congress are controlled by $$ then intentions especially during war are never good. Trump can't deal with these things and so others have taken over and can manipulate him and his power

Well his foreign policy was much better than Hillary's "we came, we saw, he died" Clinton, but he even broke that promise, so yeah...

It's gonna be 4 years of Trump and 8 of Michelle Obama before North America gets another chance tbh.



It's a warning shot across the bow. The use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated.



LurkerJ said:

Well, thank god you lost, Hillary. 

Hillary would have sought Congressional approval like Obama did. Trump on the other hand just let's missles fly willy nilly, and hopes that Russia won't retaliate. But then again, Hillary thought we should have taken out Assad to protect Isreal (at least according to wikileaks). So at the end of the day She's still the dumb war hawk that voted for the war in Iraq. 

Deadpan Garus - "Killing people with gas is wrong. The right way is to drop bombs on them or shoot them in the head."

Deadpan Garus - "Raping people while they are awake is wrong. The right way is to knock them out first."



Valdath said:
kopstudent89 said:

I'm pretty sure he never had good intentions. I was more against Hillary though cause she's just a straight up psycopath with history of blood during her time as secretary of state.

End of the day, as long as the cabinet and congress are controlled by $$ then intentions especially during war are never good. Trump can't deal with these things and so others have taken over and can manipulate him and his power

Well his foreign policy was much better than Hillary's "we came, we saw, he died" Clinton, but he even broke that promise, so yeah...

It's gonna be 4 years of Trump and 8 of Michelle Obama before North America gets another chance tbh.

Honestly I don't think any president matters and until America sees that a duopoly party state is not total democracy then the same thing will keep happening



Aeolus451 said:
It's a warning shot across the bow. The use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated.

Mate. So many sides have used chemical weapons. And has there been legitimate proof it was used or was a chemical plant targetted on purpose or accidentally? We have to stop accepting every piece of news just cause media reports it. I remember the first few years where the rebels where all a peaceful army and ISIS or any extremist islamist war thugs were never part of it even though they were from the start.

News keeps changing to satisfy a certain narrative, and only give a snap shot of the current affairs without examining the layers of it and I can assure you the Syrian war is one of the most complex wars in modern history. 

In any case this is a bad move and I hope it doesn't escalate. This could lead to much worse than the chemical attack and I think it should be put in perspective to such a response from the Trump adminstration