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KLXVER said:
Qwark said:

 

Well nobody is forcing them to do so, you don't miss new games for the system since the regular systems run the same games. Be it in a lower resolution only Nintendo makes hardware decisions with exclusive games like the N3DS and the DSI. 

Well yes, the N3DS is worse than the PS4Pro and the Scorpio since it actually has games that only work for that. However I dont see why people cant complain about companies releasing an upgraded version of their system 2-3 years later. Sure they play the same games, but youre punishing the people who bought your console early. Personally I have no interest in the PS4Pro or the Scorpio, but with the PS5 and XB2, I might wait a couple of years to make sure I get the best bang for my buck. Will probably be difficult with the PS5, but I dont see the point of buying it early anymore. 

I don´t see it as punushing since the tech wasn´t available for that price at launch, you are not screwing early adapters with a quiter, slimmer, more power efficient PS4 either right. It is simply an evolution of tech which in the worst case extends the longlivety of a platform, if you are not intrested in the device. But perhaps my vision of this is different than most PS4 owners, I think most owners of original PS4 with a HDR 4k tv can´t complain though since their product also did recieve HDR support which was pretty kind of them if you ask me. The point of buying it early is for the new games that release on it and expierincing the new gen form the start and be wondered by the evolution. I thought Killzone looked amazing and than second son. I was stunned again by Driveclub and of course Uncharted and R&C when it finally released. You lose the sense of wonder (presentationwise) if you siply start with Horizon or Uncharted 4. Besides if you addapt early and keep the system you can play it the ful generation so the playtime/money factor remains hardwarewise pretty much the same. 



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KLXVER said:

Well yes, the N3DS is worse than the PS4Pro and the Scorpio since it actually has games that only work for that. However I dont see why people cant complain about companies releasing an upgraded version of their system 2-3 years later. Sure they play the same games, but youre punishing the people who bought your console early. Personally I have no interest in the PS4Pro or the Scorpio, but with the PS5 and XB2, I might wait a couple of years to make sure I get the best bang for my buck. Will probably be difficult with the PS5, but I dont see the point of buying it early anymore. 

WTF? How are you punishing your user base? I swear what you are saying makes no sense.

In 2013 the best console I could get for $399 was something that played games at 1080p. 

Now that same console costs $250. Are they punishing me by reducing the price? Should I be reimbursed?

In nov 2016 I can buy the same console I bought in 2013 at the same $399 but this time it is able to play thesame games but at a higher resolution. The exact same games. How is anyon being punished here? The older console is still out and available and is even cheaper. Like seriously, what kinda logic are you using?

Punishing the people who bought your console early? lol.... now I have heard everything.



Intrinsic said:
KLXVER said:

Its not a legitimate complaint. If the console wont get certain games because it lacks power, then buy a more powerful console that will get those games. If you dont care enough to do some research about the console youre buying, then you are probably just buying whatever the console maker tells you to buy anyway.

I am sorry this just doesn't make any sense.....

Most people don't care to do research aboutr the console they are going to buy. They just buy the console that has the games they want to play. Thats specifically why i said the majority of people won't even know that th reason they are choosing on console over the other which to them is because of the games available is really in truth because of the lack of power that the nintendo cnsole has. Cuase thats the reason it didn't get the game to begin with.

A 'legitimate" complaint is something that actually holds water and that can affect the buying choice of a customer. Is the nintendo console getting ME:A, COD, RDR2, SW:BF? No? Ok I am not buying it. But we here on the forums know the reason its not getting those games is because it lacks the pwer to run them. This is very very very different from someone complaining about say a PS4 and a PS4pro because to most people, the only distinction is that one is in 4k and the other isn't.

So Nintendo should start advertising for games the Switch wont get because its too weak? Thats silly.



Intrinsic said:
KLXVER said:

Well yes, the N3DS is worse than the PS4Pro and the Scorpio since it actually has games that only work for that. However I dont see why people cant complain about companies releasing an upgraded version of their system 2-3 years later. Sure they play the same games, but youre punishing the people who bought your console early. Personally I have no interest in the PS4Pro or the Scorpio, but with the PS5 and XB2, I might wait a couple of years to make sure I get the best bang for my buck. Will probably be difficult with the PS5, but I dont see the point of buying it early anymore. 

WTF? How are you punishing your user base? I swear what you are saying makes no sense.

In 2013 the best console I could get for $399 was something that played games at 1080p. 

Now that same console costs $250. Are they punishing me by reducing the price? Should I be reimbursed?

In nov 2016 I can buy the same console I bought in 2013 at the same $399 but this time it is able to play thesame games but at a higher resolution. The exact same games. How is anyon being punished here? The older console is still out and available and is even cheaper. Like seriously, what kinda logic are you using?

Punishing the people who bought your console early? lol.... now I have heard everything.

Well you dont seem to have any problems with it and thats fine, but it might suck for people who cant afford to upgrade their console every 2-3 years, but want the best experience possible. Thats kinda the point of consoles. So yes, you are punishing the people who buy the console they think will give them the best experience that gen early by releasing an upgraded one soon after.



KLXVER said:

So Nintendo should start advertising for games the Switch wont get because its too weak? Thats silly.

Come on man you are just twisting what was said.... what sense does it make for nintendo to advertise what games they aren't getting? They don't need to because on the consumer side of things they can see it for themselves. But to those lik us that is on a forum we would know excatly why that is happenning. 

As far as the consumer is concerned, all they see is that nintendo is not getting such and such game which means no buy for them if those games are important to them. They on the other hand wouldn't not buy a PS4 that is getting all the games they want simply because there are two tiers of PS4. Don't forget, to get the PS4pro it really only makes sense when you also have a 4k tv. To the consumer, one of them is a 1080p version and the other is a 4k version. Simple as that.

Stop twisting shit.

KLXVER said:

Well you dont seem to have any problems with it and thats fine, but it might suck for people who cant afford to upgrade their console every 2-3 years, but want the best experience possible. Thats kinda the point of consoles. So yes, you are punishing the people who buy the console they think will give them the best experience that gen early by releasing an upgraded one soon after.

You see thisis why what you are saying makes no sense. If those people want the best experience possible, then they should have no qualms upgrading every 3 years. What sucks for them is not that sony/MS has given them the option, but that they don't have the money. What you are basically saying is that technology should be stiffled to accomodate for those that can't afford it.

Again, no one has a gun to your head. If you can't afford it then you don't b it simple as that. But you are losing nothing. It just means what you can afford is a 1080p experince as opposed to a 4k one. But you still get the same games!!!!!

What you are saying only applies if the PS4pro/Scorpio has its exclusives. Thats when you are punishing some of your user base for adopting early. I can't understand why this is so hard for you to understand.



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When it comes to gaming, you can't live your life wondering:

"Will a better console come along?"
"Will this game get rereleased with free dlc?"
"Will there be a better controller"
"Will this console be cheaper one day?"

Because the answer is "Yes." Meanwhile, you're not living for today because you're too focused on tomorrow.



Intrinsic said:
KLXVER said:

So Nintendo should start advertising for games the Switch wont get because its too weak? Thats silly.

Come on man you are just twisting what was said.... what sense does it make for nintendo to advertise what games they aren't getting? They don't need to because on the consumer side of things they can see it for themselves. But to those lik us that is on a forum we would know excatly why that is happenning. 

As far as the consumer is concerned, all they see is that nintendo is not getting such and such game which means no buy for them if those games are important to them. They on the other hand wouldn't not buy a PS4 that is getting all the games they want simply because there are two tiers of PS4. Don't forget, to get the PS4pro it really only makes sense when you also have a 4k tv. To the consumer, one of them is a 1080p version and the other is a 4k version. Simple as that.

Stop twisting shit.

KLXVER said:

Well you dont seem to have any problems with it and thats fine, but it might suck for people who cant afford to upgrade their console every 2-3 years, but want the best experience possible. Thats kinda the point of consoles. So yes, you are punishing the people who buy the console they think will give them the best experience that gen early by releasing an upgraded one soon after.

You see thisis why what you are saying makes no sense. If those people want the best experience possible, then they should have no qualms upgrading every 3 years. What sucks for them is not that sony/MS has given them the option, but that they don't have the money. What you are basically saying is that technology should be stiffled to accomodate for those that can't afford it.

Again, no one has a gun to your head. If you can't afford it then you don't b it simple as that. But you are losing nothing. It just means what you can afford is a 1080p experince as opposed to a 4k one. But you still get the same games!!!!!

What you are saying only applies if the PS4pro/Scorpio has its exclusives. Thats when you are punishing some of your user base for adopting early. I can't understand why this is so hard for you to understand.

Im not twisting anything. You are the one saying its not peoples job to look into what they are buying. Thats like saying its Sonys fault that the people who buy a PS4 isnt getting Mario games because they dont say the PS4 wont get it. Like its Sonys job to try and make those people understand that they cant play Mario games on their console.

Its hard for me to understand why companies feel like their current console cant even make it to 3 years before its "outdated". Why not try to make games run better on your current hardware before you make people buy a new version of it for that? You can say "Well then just dont buy it" but that doesnt really mean anything. I want my PS4 games to run the best they can, but I dont want to buy an upgraded console for that. Thats just insulting. You cant make your own games run perfectly on your console, so you have to release an upgraded one for that? I dont support that way of doing things. 

 

 



MAn what are you saying? Anyways, replies in bold.

KLXVER said:

Im not twisting anything. You are the one saying its not peoples job to look into what they are buying. Thats like saying its Sonys fault that the people who buy a PS4 isnt getting Mario games because they dont say the PS4 wont get it. Like its Sonys job to try and make those people understand that they cant play Mario games on their console.

I NEVER said its not peoples job to look into what they are buying. What I said is that most people wouldn't even have to. People primarily buy consoles based on whast games they can or can't play on it. Not based on what resolution said console runs at. If the console isn't even getting the game, then obviously its not going to be considered by the person looking for the game. 

I have said this multiple times but you just keep ignoring it or twisting it. The average consumer looking to play RDR2 will not buy the Switch cause it doesn't have the game. We here on forums know that it doesn't have the game because it simply lacks the hardware muscle to run it or would have been too much work making a port. To the average consumer..... the switch just doesnt have RDR2. 

Now why complaining about the switches power is a legitimate thing, is cause from the first time I saw the specs of the switch I could tell you what games it would get and what it wouldn't get. I could make that prediction all from just looking at its specs. This is not in anyway the same thing as only having to choose between 1080p and 4k.

Its hard for me to understand why companies feel like their current console cant even make it to 3 years before its "outdated". Why not try to make games run better on your current hardware before you make people buy a new version of it for that? You can say "Well then just dont buy it" but that doesnt really mean anything. I want my PS4 games to run the best they can, but I dont want to buy an upgraded console for that. Thats just insulting. You cant make your own games run perfectly on your console, so you have to release an upgraded one for that? I dont support that way of doing things. 

Its hard for you because you are just insiting on looking at things from the absolute wrong perspective. You are just twisting shit beyond belief to suit your narrative. 

let me spell it out for you. The PS4 you bought in 2013 with 1.8TF of GPU power and a HDMI 1.4 output is a 1080p console. It was designed to peak at 1080p resolution. Today? That same console is STILL a 1080p console. Its not "outdated" its still doing what its designed to do and doing it very well.

The PS4pro? Is a 4k console. Its designed with hardware to support 4k displays. It allows you play the exact same game that runs on a 1080p PS4 but this time on a 4k TV. If you own a 4k TV and would like to play your games in 4k? This is the version of PS4 you need to have.

If you take your 1080p PS4 and plug it into a 4k TV, its still going to be a 1080p PS4.

Unless of course you want to tell us that you can say beyond a doubt that because the PS4pro exists Horizon that runs at 1080p on the base PS4 could have somehow been better than what it was? 

 



3rd-6th gen saw slim revisions, 7th gen added bigger HDDs to the mix, now this gen they're attempting to keep up with modern display standards (and with that extra power comes slight performance improvements). There's never been a feasible way to avoid pissing and moaning from fans who feel screwed, but social media and click-hungry 'garmez jurnalists' feed on and amplify such negativity.

Most of the hate comes from fanboys talking shit about the competition; when people devote as much time to being unpaid PR for these corporations as a part time job, the hate can seem overwhelmingly loud.



I never cared much about hardware and graphics, and I think it's stupid that so many people do.