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At this point when the market is dominated by Google, Microsoft and what not, your data has already been collected. What this does is just makes it more "open".

Time to browse more furry porn. :P



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"Small Government" Republicans are certainly extinct at this point... and I say that as someone who's not a democrat. Makes me sad, really.



Welp, it was nice to have a modicum of privacy in the past, however meager. 

 

I'm looking forward to the wealth of advertisements targeting my love of redheads and Japanese women, ha. 



Baalzamon said:
Isn't our data already utilized? I thought that is how we got targeted ads. How is this different than that?

Basically, companies no longer have to offer you an "opt out" option when it comes to selling your info to third parties.



fatslob-:O said:
Nymeria said:

Except, for many Americans there is no "other ISP" they can switch to due to monopolies in areas.  This is also why after Time Warner bought up the local internet companies my internet went from $20 to $30 to $40 to $60/month over past three years for the exact same speed and worse service.

Then start up your own ISP ... 

Machiavellian said:

So exactly how do people who only have one ISP do what you are suggesting.  Also since all the players do not have to disclose what they are doing how will you know who is selling your info.  What you will see is that now there will be a tiered system where you will need to spend more money for a VPN in order to op out of this crap.  When all said and done, the question is not if you are concerned about what just went down, it's what are you going to do to show you are concerned.

Anyway, Republicans feel people will forget about this and keep voting down party lines so they are good to go or there will be the apologist who just find a way to rationalize what happen.  Either way, we will see if that majority is kept if they continue to go for the money.

@Bold Look at my response in the above post ... 

You already know who is selling your info, check with the ISP you registered with ...  

And the question is very much if you are concerned with what went down. People need to understand the ramifications of relying on other peoples infrastructure. Personally speaking I'm okay with the compromise considering since the likes of Microsoft and Apple has even more capabilities to invade our digital privacy than what this bill could ever do for ISPs when OSVs have backdoors to your Windows system, Xbox One, and iOS ...  

So basically what you are in favor of is nothing.  You either start somewhere or nowhere and you are more than happy keeping things the same because of what someone else can do.  This is my issue, your privacy and data has to start somewhere and dismissing the actions we see as purely benefiting corporation greed instead of consumer interest is why we continue to make no inroads in such things.  There is no comproise going on here since this rule takes us back instead of forward.  



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fatslob-:O said:
palou said:

Explicitely informing the consumer what information they are giving away would be a bare minimum, however. This is a price that they demand, the price must always be apparent to the consumer.

 

Information does not belong to those that are paid to spread it. If you send, let's say, a product prototype by mail, Fedex would have no right to sell your ideas to a company, for example. 

 

You pay for information to be given transmitted. This does not give an automatic right to the messenger to your information.

Except this time your messenger is digital so there's no penalty if they get access to your raw data when you have to rely on their network for service. It's a federal offense for mail carriers to open a physical mail ... 

If you use an ISps network they have every right to know what the hell is going on in their servers ... 

Ahhh you just broke your own logic.  Why exactly is it a federal offense for mail carriers to open a physical mail.  What exactly prevent them from doing such things.  Could it possibly be the same government that installed rules and regulations to prevent them from doing such a thing.  It matters not the technology or the tool, you still vote for Representatives  to install rules and regulations for the common people.

 Who cares what the ISP believe they have as rights to do whatever they want with data that crosses their network.  We do not live in a society where business can just do what the heck they want to do because he institute rules and regulations to prevent them from doing whatever they want.  If ISP can do whatever they want then why we have rules and regulations that they cannot use a child data, medical records and other such data as they choose.  In other words we as a society decides what business can and cannot do and we elect Representatives  to support our beliefs.  So if our Representatives  are not doing the job we put in new ones that will. 

 Your whole argument is that people do business on so and so infrastructure so we need to just take it but you seem to forget that its our government that gives these companies the right to build such infrastructure, they police that infrastructure and create rules and regulations that guides what happens on that infrastructure.  So no ISP do not have unilateral control of their product or infrastructure and we as a people can definitely make it known that if we do not like the decisions of our Representatives  in government, we can elect ones that do.



rolltide101x said:
All of these people griping about this REALLY need to know that EVERY (major) cellular carrier already does and even goes a step further and sells your GPS location as well. Also ever wonder how Facebook makes money? (Google as well) Now you know........

Yet people blindly use these services. This is why I use a VPN and my phone is untrackable and on a VPN.

Guess who was next on the net neutrality list.  Now you can forget that any of these companies will be regulated in this way but I guess because someone else is doing something its all good.  The reality of the situation is that the party that continue to strike down any such regulation is the same one that has overturned the current net neutrality rules.  That party will always put big business first over your privacy and data and will continue to tell you they are doing you a favor.



This goes to show that people will defend ,literally anything. Anything. I have no doubt that they would have felt differently if the party they hate tried to pull the same crap. Despicable.



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Johnw1104 said:
"Small Government" Republicans are certainly extinct at this point... and I say that as someone who's not a democrat. Makes me sad, really.

This is "small government" action as they are choosing to repeal rule instead of adding more rules ... 

Isn't that what "small government" is all about ? Lowering the rules but I guess people only want to look the other way ? 

Machiavellian said:

So basically what you are in favor of is nothing.  You either start somewhere or nowhere and you are more than happy keeping things the same because of what someone else can do.  This is my issue, your privacy and data has to start somewhere and dismissing the actions we see as purely benefiting corporation greed instead of consumer interest is why we continue to make no inroads in such things.  There is no comproise going on here since this rule takes us back instead of forward.  

Nope! If you ever cared about your privacy to begin with then you wouldn't be buying your Xbox in the first place or any consumer electronics that doesn't have it's programming or hardware design openly and completely documented for that matter ...  

Basically why not come clean and just admit you or the others don't care enough about privacy to commit to rebasing on an open and transparent infrastructure ?  

Lord knows I won't pull out the empty holier than thou card for shitting on Republicans when I know that the likes of Microsoft along with many others is collecting and selling my data without my formal consent but the same can't be said for you and the others since you guys are totally hypocritical about this when you rely on commercial electronics and software as much as I do that's doing the same to invade your digital privacy ... 

Machiavellian said:

Ahhh you just broke your own logic.  Why exactly is it a federal offense for mail carriers to open a physical mail.  What exactly prevent them from doing such things.  Could it possibly be the same government that installed rules and regulations to prevent them from doing such a thing.  It matters not the technology or the tool, you still vote for Representatives  to install rules and regulations for the common people.

 Who cares what the ISP believe they have as rights to do whatever they want with data that crosses their network.  We do not live in a society where business can just do what the heck they want to do because he institute rules and regulations to prevent them from doing whatever they want.  If ISP can do whatever they want then why we have rules and regulations that they cannot use a child data, medical records and other such data as they choose.  In other words we as a society decides what business can and cannot do and we elect Representatives  to support our beliefs.  So if our Representatives  are not doing the job we put in new ones that will. 

 Your whole argument is that people do business on so and so infrastructure so we need to just take it but you seem to forget that its our government that gives these companies the right to build such infrastructure, they police that infrastructure and create rules and regulations that guides what happens on that infrastructure.  So no ISP do not have unilateral control of their product or infrastructure and we as a people can definitely make it known that if we do not like the decisions of our Representatives  in government, we can elect ones that do.

I didn't break my own logic, you're just throwing a red herring since you don't know the laws ... 

It's an actual federal offense to open physical mail but there's no regulation that says ISPs can't see your data ...

We don't live in a society where businesses get to do what they want but your making a moot point here when distorted popular opinion doesn't match consumer behaviours. The governments can't stop ISPs unless you so wished for an authoritarian government that these anti-Trumpkins cry over about only to install the same dictorial reaching ...