dude, you're the one who has a problem with people making threads about breath of the wild. I was arguing because I thought you were serious, then I said mention games with the same system, then you mention 3 or 4 games that don't have a system like breath of the wild arguing and saying "there are hundreds of games" with the system and mocking people who make threads about breath of the wild. You're here because you don't like threads about how influential this game could be, not because you have something to say.

I remember a little game called Everquest. No in game map. No ! to indicate npc even have a quest. You 'gasp' had to actually type sentences to them and maybe they would give you a hint of a quest, then figure out where to go and what to do. It had unbreakable weapons too which did not break the game. It was much harder than anything else I've ever played. Everything is holding your hand compared to that. But I guess it doesn't count as open world as it loads zones...

You're not arguing. I pointed out plenty of examples of games that feature very similar if not identical systems and you've completely ignored them or dismissed them for essentially not being close enough to Breath of the Wild in your eyes. Do you realize how broad of a term "open world game" is?

There's only so much dismissing you can do before others begin to suspect that you're more interested in trying to point out how special Breath of the Wild is than you're interested in whether other games are actually doing this already.

That's not what I'm talking about, on both fallout 4 and skyrim if you speak to the right person that person is going to tell you where you need to go. Yeah a lot of time happened to me too, I found an Item and I didn't know what to do until later on the game where some npc told me "hey, do you have this stuff, or do you know that you can find that other stuff at some camp" instantly saying that my mission was completed cause I had the item already. It's the structure when you already have the mission in the mission menu. On Fallout 4 I know I have to go to Diamond city, but I don't need to know the exact location, just tell me it's south east and looks like baseball park, I don't wanna get lost I wanna try and find the place by myself without a gps telling me the exact location.

On breath of the wild you have the location of the main quests from the beginning, when you acquire the map of a new region it tells you the names of the zones inside those regions, there's where you go to explore to find side quests and the npc gives you a hint or a location near the quest and then you need to figure out what to do when you're there. Not just go and find the item at this place or kill the monster at this place, you need to solve how to get there even when they tell you the location. That adds a sense of discovery and you feel like you're doing more than just a quest for video game points.

I'm pretty methodical in my exploration and I've never used fast travel once (hence the 80 hours). So far I've explored Wasteland, Geruda, Hebra, Tabantha, west side of Ridgeland, Duelling peaks, Lake, and currently exploring Hateno. Still 6 zones I have never set foot in. If it is something similar to what's at the spring of wisdom, then I could not have missed it.

On the beach in the Lake tower zone there is another shrine that has me stumped. Some girl is hugging the key to unlock the shrine. She's not responding to anything, just ignored me.

And there's another one at the north west end of Hebra, east of Hia Miu Shrine, inside the mountain according to the locator. I've searched high and low for 45 minutes yet nothing that even remotely looks like an entrance or an activation plate. No quest for it either.

I love the map system though, easily plonk down an icon for towers, shrines and other stuff. I mapped all the locations for the towers long ago from atop the Gerudo highlands mountain peaks. So awesome to zoom in, mark, set a nice icon on the map to get to later.

so let's say that everything you said is true (it's not true) what's the problem if I think Breath of the wild is special and other games should do this? still nothing malicious about this thread if that was the case.

You mean normal quests, just with no map marker?  I don't really understand.  You can just decline to navigate by the map with any game, can't you?  I mean, so what if it shows the location of the city/town/fortress on the over-map?  Isn't that what maps are for?  I'm kind of confused about what you're saying.  

To be honest, I don't really get the complaints about "hand holding".  When I play an open world game, the first thing I do is go exploring.  By the time I get around to quests, I've usually already been to the target area.  Complaining about hand holding is kind of like someone complaining about tour guides while following along behind a tour guide.  If you don't like it, go out on your own.

DId I say it was malicious? Not sure why you're putting words in my mouth. Besides, if there's nothing wrong with making threads about how special BotW is, why are you getting so offended that someone pointed out that's what you're doing?