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Tryklon on 15 March 2017

Right... ok. It's enough now.
How shall Nintendo users be able to face life without a release confirmation for a Rockstar game right away...



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Safiir on 15 March 2017
SpokenTruth said:
bigtakilla said:

And yet we still aren't getting very good third party support for Switch. You could say it's because it just released, but if it is this super easy platform to develop for, what's the problem?

Ease of development does not equate to everbody jumping on board to develop for it. 

Why are so many of you bent on "ease of development" = "3rd party development parity"?

It means what it means...it's easy to develop for.   Great tools, great APIs, great libraries, etc...how that is supposed to mysteriously translate into 3rd parties shifting their resources (which are usually planned out 5 years in advance) to Switch is beyond me.  

 

Just stop.  It means it's easy to develop for.   It doesn't mean you can slap a PS4 game on it an hour and call it day.  It just means the average effort required to extract a given task from a piece of hardware is easier on Switch than PS4.  Nothing to do with power.  Nothing to do with 3rd parties altering their 5 year plans.  And everything to do with being easy to develop for.

I agree with the rest of the post but not with the bolded part. Power has a lot to do with ease of development. If you have to spend extra time optimizing the game so it runs the way you want it to run, then having great tools, great APIs, great libraries, etc might still not be enough to offset it. Obviously it would be dependent on the game and the vision of the devolopers but it is an absolutely important point to condiser.



monocle_layton on 15 March 2017
maxleresistant said:
FACTOR 5 IS BACK ?!!!!

If they are as good as they were in the old days, Nintendo would be wise to partner with them.

It'd be expected of Nintendo if this is true. After being stubborn in eighth gen, partnering up with more devs has benefited them.

 

Really hoping we see more revivals. 



FallingTitan on 15 March 2017
bigtakilla said:
FallingTitan said:
i think the switch is so easy to develop any game on. they just scale everything down. thats the beauty of the switch its scaling ability. its super modern new gpu. just weaker. so technically it can play any game on the planet right now just scaled down.

still wont buy one..i likey dah POWAH. but its nice to see nintendo with the most modern gpu arch

And yet we still aren't getting very good third party support for Switch. You could say it's because it just released, but if it is this super easy platform to develop for, what's the problem?

well if i was a huge gaming company i wouldn't release any game on the switch NO MATTER HOW EASY unless theres a good 10 millino units sold. dont trust the nintendo fanbase. just saying. 



maxleresistant on 15 March 2017
JRPGfan said:
maxleresistant said:
FACTOR 5 IS BACK ?!!!!

If they are as good as they were in the old days, Nintendo would be wise to partner with them.

I dont even know who they are.... had to google and look up their games lineup.

Last game they did was "Lair" in 2007, that reviewed really poorly.

They did a few starwars games for N64 and Gamecube...

"good as in old days"

If they havnt done a decent game in like 15+ years... I wouldnt get my hopes up.

They made great games, then one bad game on PS3, and then had a lot of bad luck : a superman project cancelled because of money trouble from the editor, then they made a Star Wars Rogue leader port for Wii but Lucasarts went belly up, and then they tried to make a Kid Icarus game with Nintendo, but Nintendo didn't like Factor 5 approach, it wasn't a bad approach, but it wasn't very Nintendo-like, more western games.

So don't be so quick to judge. Especially if you never played Rogue Leader. This game was one of the most technically impressive game of the 6th gen, and it was a launch title. They were ahead of their time technically. The game still holds up, and is one of the best shooter you can find. Star Fox Zero is complete and utter crap in comparison.

 



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maxleresistant on 15 March 2017
monocle_layton said:
maxleresistant said:
FACTOR 5 IS BACK ?!!!!

If they are as good as they were in the old days, Nintendo would be wise to partner with them.

It'd be expected of Nintendo if this is true. After being stubborn in eighth gen, partnering up with more devs has benefited them.

 

Really hoping we see more revivals. 

I don't know, Nintendo hasn't been smart in trying to get second party exclusives and studios in the western market.

I really hope that changes, because I think that's what was missing on the 7th and 8th gen.


Iwata went full japanese for 10 years, only partnering with japanese studios, in the meantime the western developpers took control of the market. 



markodeniro on 15 March 2017

I think he means if you have a game that is identical on both consoles then the Switch is easier to develop for. Simple



monocle_layton on 15 March 2017
maxleresistant said:
monocle_layton said:

It'd be expected of Nintendo if this is true. After being stubborn in eighth gen, partnering up with more devs has benefited them.

 

Really hoping we see more revivals. 

I don't know, Nintendo hasn't been smart in trying to get second party exclusives and studios in the western market.

I really hope that changes, because I think that's what was missing on the 7th and 8th gen.


Iwata went full japanese for 10 years, only partnering with japanese studios, in the meantime the western developpers took control of the market. 

They definitely saw the mistake in Iwata's vision. As much as I loved the 3DS/Wii/DS (no love for Wii U), there was a clear lack of western devs. Kind of funny considering Xbox has the opposite issue.

 

Anyways, the more games the better. Even if it doesn't match up to the PS4, I'd be fine with portability.



Miyamotoo on 15 March 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
I'm sure performance is a lot closer to Wii U than X1.

I mean all Switch did for Breath of the Wild is raise the resolution from 720p to 900p. But still impressive for a portable device.

In raw power Switch is closer to Wii U, but technically it's much closer to X1 (and maybe above X1 more modern tech/arhicture).

Well Switch did raise MK8 resolution from 720p to 1080p, or Fast RMX from 720p to 1080p with better visuals and frame rate. One game doesn't mean much.

 

 

SpokenTruth said:
bigtakilla said:

And yet we still aren't getting very good third party support for Switch. You could say it's because it just released, but if it is this super easy platform to develop for, what's the problem?

Ease of development does not equate to everbody jumping on board to develop for it. 

Why are so many of you bent on "ease of development" = "3rd party development parity"?

It means what it means...it's easy to develop for.   Great tools, great APIs, great libraries, etc...how that is supposed to mysteriously translate into 3rd parties shifting their resources (which are usually planned out 5 years in advance) to Switch is beyond me.  

 

Just stop.  It means it's easy to develop for.   It doesn't mean you can slap a PS4 game on it an hour and call it day.  It just means the average effort required to extract a given task from a piece of hardware is easier on Switch than PS4.  Nothing to do with power.  Nothing to do with 3rd parties altering their 5 year plans.  And everything to do with being easy to develop for.

Agree.



Angelv577 on 15 March 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
Angelv577 said:
If Dragon Quest heroes 2 is anything to go by, Switch needs more than just being easy to develop for. The question must be if the developers are willing to put up through optimization issues, in other words, this won't guarantee multiplats support.

It's not anything to go by. It was a quick port. Zelda or ARMS,Xenoblade 2,Fast RMX should be proof of that.

It is because it is an example that being easy to develop for doesn't mean it will run well on the console.  It means it depends on the developers and if they are willing to put that extra time to properly optimized the game.  I didn't use DQ heroes 2 as an example to show how powerful switch is but more about how easy to develop for doesn't mean anything let alone won't guarantee third parties support.