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Is Nintendo too greedy?

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A lot of this is just griping. I guess because I don't game as much as othw0these things don't bother me. A lot of this was said about 3ds and yes, it is no DS but 65 million units thus far is nothing to sneeze at. I guess you have 5he right to be angry but personally I don't get it. All I want is games on a cards that are fun. If Nintendo wanted to make their PS4 clone, they'd done it by now.



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niceguygameplayer said:
TomaTito said:

Maybe, at first, but from what I understand, the screen was pretty cheap. No OLED. 

You might want to read this article http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad

The screen has nothing to do with the price. The wifi tech used to stream from the console does.



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niceguygameplayer said:

1. This is the worst. No power cable for 3DS XL. I can only imagine how many people (especially parents that buy for children) bring home their already highly expensive handheld, just to discover that no power cable comes with it. It is not an optional purchase. It is mandatory for the system to work! Back out to the store to buy the power cord and possibly more gas.  For those parents " Sorry little Johnny, stop crying. I didn't know! Daddy will be back in a half an hour or so with the power cord. Oh wait, the store is about to close. You can just look at it's highly reflective screen until I get home from work tomorrow."

... If this is this the worst... I... this is going to be a bumpy ride isn't it?

2. No powerful hardware for their home consoles. Only gimmicks to excuse making cheap hardware for large cost. They struck it rich with Wii and have been doing it since. Even the GameCube had no DVDCD player, unlike PS2 and Xbox. Well, I'm not sure about Xbox with DVD's, but it could play CD's, I think. Plus Xbox was the most powerful of it's generation and had a hard drive.

How is not having a non-gaming hardware in your video game hardware a gimmick? How is that a reflection of power? How does this even prove your point

3. No good launch lineup for Switch. Nintendo offers one big game that is available for their last generation console as well. 

Ok. That is your opinion along with many others.  Most people can just probably wait until later to buy the system when the library develops. The part I underlined in this complaint is funny because of the part I underlined in the next complaint.

4. No more support for Wii U. After Zelda, I think that is it for big titles. Can you guys name any? I think any big game company like Nintendo, that has billions in the bank, should support their consoles and customers, for at least 5 years. I can understand why Sega abandoned Dreamcast. They were in money trouble. One of Sega's top people had to put his personal funds into Sega to help his company. Nintendo could at least port Super Mario Odyssey to Wii U, since no proper 3D sequel to Super Mario Galaxy was made for Wii U. 

So the funny thing is, you complain about the a good launch game being irrelavent because it is in prev-gen, bbut complain that they should still support prev-gen with current good games? Wasn't one of your previous points complaining about weaker hardware, but you want to complain that Nintendo should support their much weaker non-selling system?  Lol ok.  Aside from that, you want Nintendo to divide support between 3 systems? You realize the delay of Zelda is partly due to the fact that it was developed for two systems right?  

5. I just read on here, in another forum post, no headphone jack for Switch. Is that really true?! If so, I'm almost shocked. "Turn that annoying game sound down! I can't hear the TV, youngun. But daddy, I can't hear what's going on if I turn it down. It's portable son, right? Go outside and play it. B but what about the 2 feet of snow, 20 degrees, strangers and wild pit bulls?"

Thanks Captain Yuri.

6. No Virtual Console at launch. Details later as usual. 

7. No Metroid announced for Switch. How much do fans have to beg? 

In one year Switch is getting a new Mario, Zelda, Splatoon a new IP in ARMS and Xenoblade as well as new Fire Emblem announced for next year. This is before E3. Reggie said after the Switch conference in January, more than once, that come back to him in about year about Metroid. He even brought Metroid up himself in at least one of those interviews.

8. No more preorders for Switch at many locations. Are they creating more demand like was rumored with the original Wii? 

They said months in advance the amount they were shipping in as being cautious about their sales expectations. If you want to chalk it up to artificial demand and are want to be outraged it is not available to buy then go for it... weren't you trying to convince people not to buy from Nintendo again?

9. No to making enough Nes Minis to meet demand. The same question as in #8. 

There is a perfectly reasonable and sensible explanation that I will not say here because I intended to make a thread on it. I just keep putting it off.

10. No price cuts for 3DS or Wii U in a long time. Maybe if Nintendo had not been so greedy with Wii U, it might have sold a lot more and made their money back with game sales along with the Wii U purchases like MS and Sony has done. 

Wii U price drop would have been great to do. For 3DS, they gave people cheaper options.

11. No Nintendo Direct for Switch. Even though I own no Nintendo systems, even I enjoy Nintendo Directs. I think many ppl do. Ever since Iwata passed, there have been very few. I miss Iwata BTW. I did not agree with many of his business decisions, but the guy was likable. 

.... what?

...

Ok so this one... What? The literally had a private conference for the Switch, and 2 days of treehouse gameplay. And so what if  you enjoy the  directs? Clearly, it doesn't entice you to buy their stuff, so why should they appeal to your particular need of a direct when you know full well your not gonna buy it? Did you think through what you typed? I mean what is this is this I am reading?

12. No decent prices. The pro controller and Joycons are priced out of the range of many people. The price of the Switch, a pro controller, an extra Joycon set for just on extra player, and a game... (Passes out.)

Give a single joycon to another player. Boom 2 controllers. Share the joy.

13. No pack in game! Next to having no power cord for 3DS XL, this is the worst. 1, 2 Switch would have been an ideal pack in from what I've read. A game to showcase what the Switch can do. No pack in game makes little sense even for Nintendo. That will bar some from even buying a Switch. Those that are poor will have little incentive to buy the switch when the $300 price tag is already high. Sony and MS offer more powerful consoles with a game at the same price.

What people seem to forget is that those two have had their consoles out in the market with no apparent difficult hardware to deal with. Essentially over time their products are going to be easier to lower in price because the prices of the parts are cheaper too. Don't forget that at launch, the PS4 was 400 and the Xone was 500 dollars. The Switch is starting off at 300.

14. No hard drive for Switch. Want to download Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2. Well too bad! It is a 32 gigabyte download. The same as the switch internal memory. Of course that internal memory won't be all free. Some will be used for the system. Even if it was all free, there would not be any space to save a game. I understand it's part portable, but couldn't they have gotten it up to 128 gigs? A lot can be stored on a tiny card now. Greedy again, Nintendo. I guess you can add the possible cost for an SD card to #12... (passes out again.) 

You mean... like a cartridge right? Like they form factor that Dragon Quest Heroes comes in physically right? The one that won't take up any space? So I have the option of going to the store and paying for the game or paying for the game then going to the store and paying extra for space?

Well, I think that should be enough points to convince anyone but the most diehard Nintendo fans about the greed and disappointment of Nintendo. I could go all the way back to the NES days and point out greedy practices against 3rd parties as well as other things, but it would take too long for me. The Nintendo seal of quality has indeed been broken, in my opinion. Sony and Microsoft have better in store for your gaming dollars guys. Think about it. 

 

This was hilarious because some of your points grossly contradicted each other, at least two of them made no sense, and at least on of your points was so under researched, a picture destroyed it.  I'm being overly generous by saying maybe four of your points have some point to it. To summerize what I read:

[You have no intention of offending anyone with your complaints and they are poorly thought out and unresearched... but if anyone disagrees they are presumed to be an extreme diehard Nintendo fan.]

I always love the defense for making irrational comments is simply suggesting that whoever disagrees is being irrational to avoid earnest criticism.



Vor said:
niceguygameplayer said:

Maybe, at first, but from what I understand, the screen was pretty cheap. No OLED. 

You might want to read this article http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad

The screen has nothing to do with the price. The wifi tech used to stream from the console does.

And an old manufacturing cost breakdown:
http://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2013/03/18/t-ts-nintendo-wii-u-teardown.cnnmoney/index.html

You see that the storage is only 6usd, I agree that for the Switch they could have doubled it.



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Super_Boom said:
1. This one sucks...though I think there are much bigger offenses to focus on. I got one of my adapters for $3. Likely the reasoning is that the new 3DS was targetting existing customers, for better or worse. If a brand new system shipped without a charger...I would find that a much bigger offense.

2. Ionno...this one seems pretty general.

3. Subjective, and can apply to anything.

4. Understandable, but definitely sucks still.

5. The complaint only exists in the Pro Controller, which isn't the default model. See Captain Yuri's post above.

6. I'm annoyed with this too, but it seems par for the course. There were lots of PS1/2 games I had on my PS3 that weren't on PS4 after I bought it.

7. I mean...okay. Sucks...but Nintendo isn't the only company with underutilized IPs.

8. Assumptions...and even if it was true, it's understandable given the Wii U's initial situation.

9. Valid complaint

10. 3DS had one of the most significant price cuts in recent memory shortly after launch. No idea about the Wii U, but I know I've seen it selling for $250 on online stores, which is pretty significant.

11. Uh...come on. Did you really think this a problem, or were you just padding this list?

12. Valid complaint.

13. I'd like a bundle...but if that drove the price up, I'm fine with it being the way it is. If the point is not to drive the price up, that point has already been made.

14. Valid complaint.

I mean, plenty of these problems aren't unique to Nintendo, and while that isn't a counterpoint...it does help to look at the entire industry, and not just Nintendo in a vacuum.

Thank you for taking the time for such a thorough response! It all boils down to the greed. I agree that there is a lot of greed out there, but I think Nintendo takes the current video game cake. I have no power cord for a 3DS XL. I own no Nintendo system. Even if money for the power cord is a non issue, the average consumer would not think that anyone would dare to not include an essential part to make the product work. I still have never heard of any other company doing this. If there is a slack employee, or an ignorant one, they may sell the system with no power cord. I would be furious. I will not ever buy one new because of that issue alone. It's the principal. I may get a used one. Hopefully with a power cord! 



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Vor said:
niceguygameplayer said:

Maybe, at first, but from what I understand, the screen was pretty cheap. No OLED. 

You might want to read this article http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad

The screen has nothing to do with the price. The wifi tech used to stream from the console does.

OK, thanks!



niceguygameplayer said:
Vor said:

You might want to read this article http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad

The screen has nothing to do with the price. The wifi tech used to stream from the console does.

OK, thanks!

ur welcome . And as for point #5 even if it's true why not. No jack is the future. *cough* Apple *cough*



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Ljink96 said:
A lot of this is just griping. I guess because I don't game as much as othw0these things don't bother me. A lot of this was said about 3ds and yes, it is no DS but 65 million units thus far is nothing to sneeze at. I guess you have 5he right to be angry but personally I don't get it. All I want is games on a cards that are fun. If Nintendo wanted to make their PS4 clone, they'd done it by now.

I'm not truly angry except for the no power cord issue. I just think that Nintendo doesn't deserve the loyalty of people like you with Nintendo practically being your username. And I'm not insulting you at all. I just feel like guys like you are being abused by Nintendo. You faithful Nintendo fans deserve better. 



Dravenet7 said:
niceguygameplayer said:

1. This is the worst. No power cable for 3DS XL. I can only imagine how many people (especially parents that buy for children) bring home their already highly expensive handheld, just to discover that no power cable comes with it. It is not an optional purchase. It is mandatory for the system to work! Back out to the store to buy the power cord and possibly more gas.  For those parents " Sorry little Johnny, stop crying. I didn't know! Daddy will be back in a half an hour or so with the power cord. Oh wait, the store is about to close. You can just look at it's highly reflective screen until I get home from work tomorrow."

... If this is this the worst... I... this is going to be a bumpy ride isn't it?

2. No powerful hardware for their home consoles. Only gimmicks to excuse making cheap hardware for large cost. They struck it rich with Wii and have been doing it since. Even the GameCube had no DVDCD player, unlike PS2 and Xbox. Well, I'm not sure about Xbox with DVD's, but it could play CD's, I think. Plus Xbox was the most powerful of it's generation and had a hard drive.

How is not having a non-gaming hardware in your video game hardware a gimmick? How is that a reflection of power? How does this even prove your point

3. No good launch lineup for Switch. Nintendo offers one big game that is available for their last generation console as well. 

Ok. That is your opinion along with many others.  Most people can just probably wait until later to buy the system when the library develops. The part I underlined in this complaint is funny because of the part I underlined in the next complaint.

4. No more support for Wii U. After Zelda, I think that is it for big titles. Can you guys name any? I think any big game company like Nintendo, that has billions in the bank, should support their consoles and customers, for at least 5 years. I can understand why Sega abandoned Dreamcast. They were in money trouble. One of Sega's top people had to put his personal funds into Sega to help his company. Nintendo could at least port Super Mario Odyssey to Wii U, since no proper 3D sequel to Super Mario Galaxy was made for Wii U. 

So the funny thing is, you complain about the a good launch game being irrelavent because it is in prev-gen, bbut complain that they should still support prev-gen with current good games? Wasn't one of your previous points complaining about weaker hardware, but you want to complain that Nintendo should support their much weaker non-selling system?  Lol ok.  Aside from that, you want Nintendo to divide support between 3 systems? You realize the delay of Zelda is partly due to the fact that it was developed for two systems right?  

5. I just read on here, in another forum post, no headphone jack for Switch. Is that really true?! If so, I'm almost shocked. "Turn that annoying game sound down! I can't hear the TV, youngun. But daddy, I can't hear what's going on if I turn it down. It's portable son, right? Go outside and play it. B but what about the 2 feet of snow, 20 degrees, strangers and wild pit bulls?"

Thanks Captain Yuri.

6. No Virtual Console at launch. Details later as usual. 

7. No Metroid announced for Switch. How much do fans have to beg? 

In one year Switch is getting a new Mario, Zelda, Splatoon a new IP in ARMS and Xenoblade as well as new Fire Emblem announced for next year. This is before E3. Reggie said after the Switch conference in January, more than once, that come back to him in about year about Metroid. He even brought Metroid up himself in at least one of those interviews.

8. No more preorders for Switch at many locations. Are they creating more demand like was rumored with the original Wii? 

They said months in advance the amount they were shipping in as being cautious about their sales expectations. If you want to chalk it up to artificial demand and are want to be outraged it is not available to buy then go for it... weren't you trying to convince people not to buy from Nintendo again?

9. No to making enough Nes Minis to meet demand. The same question as in #8. 

There is a perfectly reasonable and sensible explanation that I will not say here because I intended to make a thread on it. I just keep putting it off.

10. No price cuts for 3DS or Wii U in a long time. Maybe if Nintendo had not been so greedy with Wii U, it might have sold a lot more and made their money back with game sales along with the Wii U purchases like MS and Sony has done. 

Wii U price drop would have been great to do. For 3DS, they gave people cheaper options.

11. No Nintendo Direct for Switch. Even though I own no Nintendo systems, even I enjoy Nintendo Directs. I think many ppl do. Ever since Iwata passed, there have been very few. I miss Iwata BTW. I did not agree with many of his business decisions, but the guy was likable. 

.... what?

...

Ok so this one... What? The literally had a private conference for the Switch, and 2 days of treehouse gameplay. And so what if  you enjoy the  directs? Clearly, it doesn't entice you to buy their stuff, so why should they appeal to your particular need of a direct when you know full well your not gonna buy it? Did you think through what you typed? I mean what is this is this I am reading?

12. No decent prices. The pro controller and Joycons are priced out of the range of many people. The price of the Switch, a pro controller, an extra Joycon set for just on extra player, and a game... (Passes out.)

Give a single joycon to another player. Boom 2 controllers. Share the joy.

13. No pack in game! Next to having no power cord for 3DS XL, this is the worst. 1, 2 Switch would have been an ideal pack in from what I've read. A game to showcase what the Switch can do. No pack in game makes little sense even for Nintendo. That will bar some from even buying a Switch. Those that are poor will have little incentive to buy the switch when the $300 price tag is already high. Sony and MS offer more powerful consoles with a game at the same price.

What people seem to forget is that those two have had their consoles out in the market with no apparent difficult hardware to deal with. Essentially over time their products are going to be easier to lower in price because the prices of the parts are cheaper too. Don't forget that at launch, the PS4 was 400 and the Xone was 500 dollars. The Switch is starting off at 300.

14. No hard drive for Switch. Want to download Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2. Well too bad! It is a 32 gigabyte download. The same as the switch internal memory. Of course that internal memory won't be all free. Some will be used for the system. Even if it was all free, there would not be any space to save a game. I understand it's part portable, but couldn't they have gotten it up to 128 gigs? A lot can be stored on a tiny card now. Greedy again, Nintendo. I guess you can add the possible cost for an SD card to #12... (passes out again.) 

You mean... like a cartridge right? Like they form factor that Dragon Quest Heroes comes in physically right? The one that won't take up any space? So I have the option of going to the store and paying for the game or paying for the game then going to the store and paying extra for space?

Well, I think that should be enough points to convince anyone but the most diehard Nintendo fans about the greed and disappointment of Nintendo. I could go all the way back to the NES days and point out greedy practices against 3rd parties as well as other things, but it would take too long for me. The Nintendo seal of quality has indeed been broken, in my opinion. Sony and Microsoft have better in store for your gaming dollars guys. Think about it. 

 

This was hilarious because some of your points grossly contradicted each other, at least two of them made no sense, and at least on of your points was so under researched, a picture destroyed it.  I'm being overly generous by saying maybe four of your points have some point to it. To summerize what I read:

[You have no intention of offending anyone with your complaints and they are poorly thought out and unresearched... but if anyone disagrees they are presumed to be an extreme diehard Nintendo fan.]

I always love the defense for making irrational comments is simply suggesting that whoever disagrees is being irrational to avoid earnest criticism.

Wow, you gave a long and detailed reply! However, I have been responding for a long time now, and it's almost 4 a.m. Your comment will be the first I respond to tomorrow. I will respond fairly and without any angry replies. I do feel that there may be unfair bias from those with Nintendo avatars and names, but I will not just assume you are one of them. No need for anger. You are completely free to disagree all you would like and counter all of my points. Have a good night. 



niceguygameplayer said:
Ljink96 said:
A lot of this is just griping. I guess because I don't game as much as othw0these things don't bother me. A lot of this was said about 3ds and yes, it is no DS but 65 million units thus far is nothing to sneeze at. I guess you have 5he right to be angry but personally I don't get it. All I want is games on a cards that are fun. If Nintendo wanted to make their PS4 clone, they'd done it by now.

I'm not truly angry except for the no power cord issue. I just think that Nintendo doesn't deserve the loyalty of people like you with Nintendo practically being your username. And I'm not insulting you at all. I just feel like guys like you are being abused by Nintendo. You faithful Nintendo fans deserve better. 

Nintendo has been more to me than any other game company. That's why.I support them I got through some of the hardest times of my life with Nintendo games. It has always been about the games for me. I could care less about hardware. If great game come, I'll buy it. That's why I own a Vita. Psvita violates a lot of the gripes you have yet nobody continues to talk about it. 

Nintendo has literally shaped how I design and develop anything. Mario 64 made me want to do 3d graphics, Nintendo's music is second to none, their software and hardware have revolutionized the industry multiple times over...that's why I stick by Nintendo. You're going to have ups and downs but you really can't enjoy anything if you, hypothetically speaking, can't stop complaining. I own a Ps4 and Xbox one so I don't know what you mean by me only being a Nintendo fan... 

I can find plenty wrong with ps and xb products but I'm not going to talk/gripe about them all the time. And I also suggest you wait for more info on Switch before jumping to conclusions.