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Peh said:
Mnementh said:

 (2) Well, there are many reasons: They didn't think it through. They thought their choice wouldn't win anyways and they could show their anger against the establishment. They voted for joking reasons. They voted for the assumed underdog. They voted because their focus was on some policies the candidate was standing for, but after the election the candidate focuses on other areas first (for instance in the Trump-case, many may have voted him for bringing jobs to america, but aren't against immigration - now immigration is the area tackled first). They voted for a candidate, because they took him seriously, not literally.

Whatever the reasons, my point stands: you will always have these people. It is completely unimportant that some people changed their opinion. But it doesn't matter, because they are a minority.

And you are OK with them? The Brexit vote is just the best example here. Because the minority you speak of is the one who actually could change the outcome if they didn't joke around and took it seriously. And something like that just angers me how stupid certain people are. They are voting for their own future. If it being better or worse will be shown. But that's besides the point. I just don't want people voting, without having any kind of clue what they are actually doing with their vote. It's like playing russian roullette (Hyperbole).

The thing is, many socialists also supported Brexit, because the European Union is generally seen as a neo-liberal capitalist movement. However, there were also many others who opposed it because they saw that the Brexit campaign was mainly led by right-wingers and didn't want them to gain legitimacy. The thing is, it is hard to know what the right decision was until after the effects can be seen.



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VGPolyglot said:
Peh said:

That's a complete different issue. I know, that there is no perfect candidate, you just don't vote for Trump and say you regret it shortly after you did. That's a stupid thing to do.

I'm not saying that there's no perfect candidate, I'm saying that there's no good candidate. Yes, there are people that regret voting for Trump, but they may have also regretted not voting at all too if they didn't.

And that's also a stupid thing to do. You shouldn't be in the position to regret your vote or not voting at all. These people are plain idiots.

You know how it ended on Futurama :3

All because Fry forgot to vote.



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Peh said:
VGPolyglot said:

I'm not saying that there's no perfect candidate, I'm saying that there's no good candidate. Yes, there are people that regret voting for Trump, but they may have also regretted not voting at all too if they didn't.

And that's also a stupid thing to do. You shouldn't be in the position to regret your vote or not voting at all. These people are plain idiots.

You know how it ended on Futurama :3

All because Fry forgot to vote.

What about people who have no faith in the system at all? There are probably many people who have voted previously yet repeatedly do not see an improvement in their lives. Why would they want to vote when it continually does nothing for them?



VGPolyglot said:
Peh said:

And that's also a stupid thing to do. You shouldn't be in the position to regret your vote or not voting at all. These people are plain idiots.

You know how it ended on Futurama :3

All because Fry forgot to vote.

What about people who have no faith in the system at all? There are probably many people who have voted previously yet repeatedly do not see an improvement in their lives. Why would they want to vote when it continually does nothing for them?

They should vote for a party who represents their opinion.

Again, I just don't care who is who and what movement does what and what will the future possibly bring.

This thread is solely on the idiots who voted for any side and regret it shortly after.



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Peh said:
VGPolyglot said:

What about people who have no faith in the system at all? There are probably many people who have voted previously yet repeatedly do not see an improvement in their lives. Why would they want to vote when it continually does nothing for them?

They should vote for a party who represents their opinion.

Again, I just don't care who is who and what movement does what and what will the future possibly bring.

This thread is solely on the idiots who voted for any side and regret it shortly after.

Or maybe they see that no matter who they vote for, they will still lose in the end?



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Peh said:
Mnementh said:

(1)Yes, I'm OK with that. Because I don't wanna judge the decisions of other adult persons.

(2)You missed my point: these people were always there and will always be. The worrying part is, that this time in this two elections they are pointed out and it is made a fuss about it. That means, that a lot of people aren't willing anymore to accept the result of an election, if it doesn#t suit them. This is the really worrysome part. And it isn't the only sign, there are much more signs that the willigness to accept the results of an election is eroding.

(1) Example:

The teaching of evolution shall be replaced with creationism in schools. Your position is on evolution, because that one is a scientific theory supported by evidence. Evolution is a fact. Creationism is not a scientific theory, it's not even science. People vote for creationism, because it's what they believe in and think that evolution is just a theory. After making their vote, creationism does indeed win. And evolution is being banned in schools. Some people who didn't know much about the subject or didn't care much about the subject at all voted for creationsism and regret their vote after the outcome is clear and realise what the topic is about. So, they wish they could have voted for evolution instead. Even worse, the people who were misinformed or didn't care are now in the majority for the evolution vote.

And you tell me you would be OK with that, because you don't wanna judge the decision of other adult persons. This is an extreme example so I can make my position clear on this topic. It's not to insult anyones believes. But I didn't wanted to make it to difficult to undestand. Do you understand where I am going with this?

(2) Accepting the results and regretting the vote immediately after voting for the results has nothing to do with each other and nothing what this thread has to do with that. A democraty have always an opposition and accepting the result, doesn't mean you also have to comply with everything that follows.

(1) What if you mforce evolution on them, against their will. Will that change the people?

I grew up in eastern germany. The government thought it decides what's best for the people, even if they think different. They decided evolution is the thing to teach in school, so this is what I learned. but ask yourself, is this kind of decision-making the right way, even if it prevents in some cases bad decisions?

(2) Nono, you don't have to comply. But point here is - you are unhappy with the results, and that is completely OK and understandable. So you point at the regretters as the party to blame. But that is worrysome, because they are always there. Think in four years, Trump loses closely against the resurrected John F. Kennedy. But afterwards Trump points to people regretting it and therefore taking the result in question. Is that good.

You can test all your suggestions to remedy the situation against a simple scenario: what if Trump implements your suggestions the next election. Would you oppose it? If you would, your suggestion is probably bad also in the case it helps to bring a result which you favor. So you suggested - maybe not so serious - people should take a test about policy-positions of the candidates before the election. Would you like it if Trump implements such a test for the next election?



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Locknuts said:
He has done exactly what he said he would do as far as I can tell. When you vote for someone that's what you want, right?

For a lot of people, that's probably not true. There's always people voting someone as a protest, or because the candidate has certain ideas the voter supports but doesn't think the candidate goes through with their more radical promises.



VGPolyglot said:
Peh said:

They should vote for a party who represents their opinion.

Again, I just don't care who is who and what movement does what and what will the future possibly bring.

This thread is solely on the idiots who voted for any side and regret it shortly after.

Or maybe they see that no matter who they vote for, they will still lose in the end?

It doesn't matter. All I want is people to vote without regrets.

You have an opinion and you stay by it. So, you inform yourself about the parties and their goals and vote accordingly. Even if they lose. You make your vote without regret and stand therefore as the opposition. That's what a democracy is about.  And possibly that's why I dig the german democracy system more than the US. Because your vote never loses on weight even if your party has less percentage than any other.



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Peh said:
Mnementh said:

 (2) Well, there are many reasons: They didn't think it through. They thought their choice wouldn't win anyways and they could show their anger against the establishment. They voted for joking reasons. They voted for the assumed underdog. They voted because their focus was on some policies the candidate was standing for, but after the election the candidate focuses on other areas first (for instance in the Trump-case, many may have voted him for bringing jobs to america, but aren't against immigration - now immigration is the area tackled first). They voted for a candidate, because they took him seriously, not literally.

Whatever the reasons, my point stands: you will always have these people. It is completely unimportant that some people changed their opinion. But it doesn't matter, because they are a minority.

And you are OK with them? The Brexit vote is just the best example here. Because the minority you speak of is the one who actually could change the outcome if they didn't joke around and took it seriously. And something like that just angers me how stupid certain people are. They are voting for their own future. If it being better or worse will be shown. But that's besides the point. I just don't want people voting, without having any kind of clue what they are actually doing with their vote. It's like playing russian roullette (Hyperbole).

I still to this point does not know if Brexit or Bremain is the better alternative. The effects are so complicated, that even in the future we might not know which one was better. So should I seriously take offense in people similarily unsure?



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Peh said:
VGPolyglot said:

Or maybe they see that no matter who they vote for, they will still lose in the end?

It doesn't matter. All I want is people to vote without regrets.

You have an opinion and you stay by it. So, you inform yourself about the parties and their goals and vote accordingly. Even if they lose. You make your vote without regret and stand therefore as the opposition. That's what a democracy is about.  And possibly that's why I dig the german democracy system more than the US. Because your vote never loses on weight even if your party has less percentage than any other.

Even then, many parties and politicians lie to get votes, so when you're think you're voting for certain ideals you end up getting others.