Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:
A mod asked us to go back on topic, so I'm trying to turn down or wind down (or however it's said in English) my role in the discussion, but still a comment.
I don't know in detail how white supremacists think about it, but intelligence of races is probably only one factor to explain how Europeans are superior. They also emphasize the strength of European culture and heritage, and even historical circumstances.
To me it's not that dramatic. It's not evil to think that one race (in combination with its historical heritage and culture) is superior - as in being successful - compared with others, as long as you don't claim that that somehow gives them a higher value, or use it as a reason to oppress others.
If Asians and Jews are more intelligent than whites, at least in sub-groups of intelligence like the ones that are measured in IQ tests, why couldn't I still be happy about my own race, culture and tribe and what it has accomplished? Like you said several times in the thread, a high IQ doesn't guarantee success. There are other factors.
Also, you can think that your own race is the most successful "overall" and is worthy of preservation, and yet admire other races for their higher IQ, or for their higher physical strength.
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Simultaneously a person of reasonable intelligence should also understand they are all part of the singular human race as well. It takes a real lack of intelligence to force yourself to overlook that fact as well.
You are in the same boat as everyone else whether you want to admit it or not.
Also how would you feel if an Asian person came up to you and said "you're not worth talking to, your pathetic European intellect is inferior to mine, I don't dislike you, I just prefer to be in the company of more intelligent fellow Asians" ... I'm guessing probably after hearing that 4 or 5 times, it would begin to piss you off. Just a wild guess. A person who behaved that way in my opinion would be an asshole, that's just another way of putting it.
Racist people in general IMO tend to be the least intelligent, in fact they have more in common with the racists of their own differing sub-groups most likely. It's a mindset, and not a particularily bright one at that I find.
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And they do simultaneously understand that we're all part of the human race and that we should respect each other! But that doesn't contradict at all with wanting to preserve your own culture and identity as a people. In some ways we all sit in the same boat, but in other ways we don't.
Your Asian caricature is pretty stupid. Because people do this all the time! Include some people and exclude others. Not based on intelligence so much, but based on hundreds of other traits that unify some people and exclude others. Based on common ethnicity, race, culture, sex, age, education, economy, interests, level of intellect, you name it!!
Kurds might prefer to hang with other Kurds rather than with Turks. Iranians might exlude Arabs. Black guys might feel more comfortable to hang with other blacks. The cool football guys may want to hang with each other (and beautiful chicks) and avoid nerds. Teenage girls may want to hang in groups with other girls. Intellectuals might want to avoid dumb people. Rich people may politely turn down the company of poor people. Gamers may tend to socialize with other gamers (online mostly lol).
People tend to socialize with people they are similar with, with whom they share goals and interests and this happens all the time everywhere. It's the most natural thing to do. It doesn't automatically mean you're an asshole.
Yes, racists in general have lower intelligence than other groups of people, that's an observation I totally agree with. But what does that say about anything? How is that relevant to this discussion? (Very good Soundwave, you admit that you also tend to identify certain traits in certain groups of people without having hard evidence! It's the point of the whole discussion. Measurable differences between groups)
