Bravo.. This guy gets it.

No disrespect to any that fit this category.. But the hardcore forum dwelling gamer simply is not in touch with the majority of the gaming community, let alone the masses at large. In fact it anything, the majority view on gaming forums tends to represent the opposite of reality.. I was there well before the Wii phenomenon, posting here and other boards. Most "hardcore" despised it and were 100% convinced it would sell like 10 million and lead to Nintendo going third party. When it sold over 100 mill, they scrambled to save face by chalking it up to idiotic "casuals," so you know - it doesn't really count. When Switch is a similar success, they will attempt to deflect their miscalculations and undermine Nintendo in a different way - since they can't really use the casual argument anymore looking judging from the lineup..

Great that you agree with him, but can you offer a rebuttal of your own? This thread feels like a total waste in its current state and you are the Captain of the ship. 

Just for the fact that are excepetions, this "felling" all falls apart. You can't predict the switch fortune just by looking for the wii u, since people in this site can't even make a proper list of the reasons why the wii u failed.

Great that you agree with him, but can you offer a rebuttal of your own? This thread feels like a total waste in its current state and you are the Captain of the ship. 

JRPGfan said:
Perception is reality.

That is in part why Sony's Playstation 4 is strong.
Its a good mix of hardware for what you pay for.

1.84 tflops for 250$ (ps4)
vs
0.40 tflops for 299$ (switch docked 400gflops (rumor))

That's based on rumours, not fact or reality.

PS4 has a bigger library and 3rd party support from AAA games, that the switch wont get.
Switch has Nintendo 1st party games... Sony has its own 1st party games.

Switch will get all the important indie support (see the comments by the developers of Rocket League) and Japanese third party support. Nintendo first party games are also far more attractive to consumers than Sony's first party games. It's not even a contest really: Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Super Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Super Smash Bros., etc. The Switch isn't totally devoid of Western third party support either: it's getting Skyrim, Lego Worlds (which looks like a fairly ambitious Lego title), FIFA, NBA2K, Rayman Legends: Definitive Edition and Steep. It's only natural that most third party publishers are taking a wait and see approach after the Wii U. I predict the Switch will have a slow start, like the DS, but once it gets going it will attract more third party support. 

Its just a matter of perception.

If Nintendo had launched the Switch (as is) for 199$, with a few more games at launch, everyone would be talking about how they where expecting it to sell 100million units or something.

They didnt, they launched it at 299$.
They messed up the PR for the presentation (alot of people had less expectations after watching it than before).
The Online paid subcription BS (requireing a smart phone, a paid app, and 1 nes/snes game pr month).

That whole requiring a smart phone to play online is just misunderstood. We saw the interface of Ultra Street Fighter II Turbo already and you can match with random people and friends without the need of a smartphone, just like on the Wii U. You don't even know the price for the subscription yet.  

Nintendo could have done a better launch for the switch tbh.
Its probably also priced higher than nintendo needed.
People notice.

Nintendo can always do a price cut if necessary, so that's not really the biggest issue. And it only costs $260 in Japan, its biggest market, so the price is exaggerated by a lot of people here as well. 

It did. Commercially, it did. Its not even a matter of opinion, its just numbers. You may have loved the console and I bet you can name 2, 4, 6 or 8 games you enjoyed, at the end of the day the definitive factor are the numbers. Cold, hard, vicious numbers. They went from being the most sold to the least sold, even with all their gimmicks and deceptive charm, Nintendo couldnt sell that console. Its sold even less than the Vita. By the way, did you know Stoya retired? thats sadder than WiiU's sales numbers. Its tragic. Where do we go from here? What comes next? Im lost in thought. I dont think anyone can replace her. 

Lock if you wish. I am not the type of guy that write a long essay about videgames.

It will be funny to see in the next years all the BS threads about Switch that ran perfectly fine make their revivals

Great that you agree with him, but can you offer a rebuttal of your own? This thread feels like a total waste in its current state and you are the Captain of the ship. 

This is a start, though not from the TC. Issue is, had the narrative only been that the Wii U failed because of "shitty graphics", then that'd be a cause for alarm. But we've had plenty of threads that document the overall problems the system faced and that is one of the reasons this thread is a head-scratcher for people.