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JRPGfan on 22 January 2017
NATO said:
JRPGfan said:

PS4pro didnt set the world on fire with its sales, neither will the scorpio.

I'd argue that it was pretty much the intention, ps4 pro is intended as a "premium" option, rather than a replacement, it remains to be seen how the scorpio will be marketed, if they do the same and advertise it as a "premium" option then the higher price and relatively low sales wont matter much - if however (and they likely will), they advertise it as being an upgrade and one everyone should definitely buy because it's the most powerful console to date - sales will be better but not better overall, because it'll just be biting into the current xbox one / xbox one s sales rather than adding new sales (once current owners wishing to upgrade have done so in the initial month or so on the market of course).

Thats the exact same as the PS4pro.

Watch the scorpio launch at 449$ and sell as little as the PS4pro does or less.

All these that think 2160p matters (native 4k) vs 1800p (checkerboarded 4k), they get to see that reflected in sales.

People simply dont care enough about resolutions past 1080p.

Its what most have as tv's, and even those with 4k tv's alot wont spend a extra 200$ to get a scorpio.



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Snoopy on 22 January 2017
NATO said:
Snoopy said:

xbox is just like the pc but closed off. They can easily scale the games just like they do with pc games. Also, I would argue xbox live being better than competitiors is a huge plus.

developing for the xbox and developing for the pc aren't the same at all.
it's two fixed platforms, so optimizations and fine tuning has to be made for each, where as for pc you can leave those optimizations and tuning to the end user by exposing advanced video options.

Since it's a console, they *have* to do extensive testing and optimization for both, to get the best out of each, that takes time, that takes money.
You can say that it doesn't till you're blue in the face, but it does.

No, PC is an open platform. Both xbox and pc use the same api (directx 12) and use the same architecture. This is part of the reason why UWP and play anywhere is a thing.Not to mention we are seeing a lot of pc games ported on xbox like city skyline, path of exiles, elite dangerous,ect. Also, there is some people speculating that scorpio will be litterally a closed off PC that is going to run the window store games and xbox one compatability will work just like xbox one compatability with 360 games.



Snoopy on 22 January 2017
JRPGfan said:
NATO said:

I'd argue that it was pretty much the intention, ps4 pro is intended as a "premium" option, rather than a replacement, it remains to be seen how the scorpio will be marketed, if they do the same and advertise it as a "premium" option then the higher price and relatively low sales wont matter much - if however (and they likely will), they advertise it as being an upgrade and one everyone should definitely buy because it's the most powerful console to date - sales will be better but not better overall, because it'll just be biting into the current xbox one / xbox one s sales rather than adding new sales (once current owners wishing to upgrade have done so in the initial month or so on the market of course).

Thats the exact same as the PS4pro.

Watch the scorpio launch at 449$ and sell as little as the PS4pro does or less.

All these that think 2160p matters (native 4k) vs 1800p (checkerboarded 4k), they get to see that reflected in sales.

People simply dont care enough about resolutions past 1080p.

Its what most have as tv's, and even those with 4k tv's alot wont spend a extra 200$ to get a scorpio.

What if it isn't just resolution. What if the textures, lighting, ect is all better on xbox scorpio?



NATO on 22 January 2017
Snoopy said:

No, PC is an open platform. Both xbox and pc use the same api (directx 12) and use the same architecture. This is part of the reason why UWP and play anywhere is a thing.Not to mention we are seeing a lot of pc games on xbox like city skyline, path of exiles, elite dangerous,ect. Also, there is some people speculating that scorpio will be litterally a closed off PC that is going to run the window store games and xbox one compatability will work just like xbox one compatability with 360 games.

same api, architecture and uwp doesnt matter.

Still have to optimize for a fixed platform

Still have to test optimizations for said fixed platform

Guess what? that takes... dun dun duuunnnn... time and money.



aLkaLiNE on 22 January 2017

It needs exclusives to define itself as a console. As it stands, someone could build a gaming PC and miss absolutely nothing from Scorpio.



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Snoopy on 22 January 2017
aLkaLiNE said:
It needs exclusives to define itself as a console. As it stands, someone could build a gaming PC and miss absolutely nothing from Scorpio.

But most people don't game on a PC. People can build a powerful pc right now and play all the best selling games on xbox one and ps4 significantly better in graphics and fps.



Azzanation on 22 January 2017

Exclusives is an overrated word for fanboys to use when in internet debates.
Majority of gamers just buy a console based off price and popularity. Stats show 3rd party games is the popular choice hence why WiiU sales are down compared to its competitors. If Exclusives mean everything like keyboard warriors say they do than the WiiU would be the best selling console this gen. Its not, because it doesn't have 3rd party games. Xbox or PS don't need exclusives to sell. They need GTA, Minecraft, Fifa, Cod, BF etc to sell.
PS1 barely had any good 1st party exclusives outside Crash Bandicoot and it sold way more than the N64 which dominated in 1st party exclusives, why? because of the 3rd party games. There's really no ifs or buts about it. Proof is in the numbers. Like the OP states, outside Remasters, only UC4 is in the top 30 and that game was practically given away in just about every PS4 bundle last Xmas.

1 Reason why PC gaming is the most popular form of gaming, is because of the 3rd party support. Steam is not the biggest gaming service in the world because of its 1st party content i can assure you.

 

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Zkuq on 22 January 2017

Exclusives are still a good selling point for a console. They're not the only one though, and strictly speaking, a lot of players probably don't even care about exclusives. They just want interesting games, exclusives or not. Of course if you can get an exclusive game to be that interesting game (like Wii Sports was), that's a huge advantage. I'm also thinking exclusives might have the biggest effect early in a console's lifespan, when the most dedicated gamers are choosing their console. They're better informed than most people, and they probably care more about exclusives.



Turkish on 22 January 2017
Snoopy said:

I was looking through the database on vgchartz on the top best selling games for xbox one and ps4 and most of them are multiplatform games. Why does xbox scorpio need exclusives when people are buying mostly multiplatform games. If the multiplatform games run and look significantly better on the xbox scorpio, that should convince a lot of people to buy an xbox system over another console. Not to say xbox won't have exclusives this year like Halo wars 2, city skyline, state of decay 2, Forza 7, Sea of theives, crackdown 3, Killer Instinct season,ect.. but I don't think exclusives will be a big reason to buy an xbox scorpio outside of a few people.

Because the PS4 is the best selling console for a huge part thanks to its vast and diverse lineup of games and because people knew Sony will deliver the games.

Also multiplats sell the most on PS4, people are not gonna switch platforms 4 years late into the gen just because Scorpio promises a few more p's, they're locked to the PS ecosystem just at the moment Sony is firing on all cilinders.

It's too late to switch mid gen platforms and too early for a fresh new gen, Scorpio will be in an awkward position imo.



Snoopy on 22 January 2017
NATO said:
Snoopy said:

No, PC is an open platform. Both xbox and pc use the same api (directx 12) and use the same architecture. This is part of the reason why UWP and play anywhere is a thing.Not to mention we are seeing a lot of pc games on xbox like city skyline, path of exiles, elite dangerous,ect. Also, there is some people speculating that scorpio will be litterally a closed off PC that is going to run the window store games and xbox one compatability will work just like xbox one compatability with 360 games.

same api, architecture and uwp doesnt matter.

Still have to optimize for a fixed platform

Still have to test optimizations for said fixed platform

Guess what? that takes... dun dun duuunnnn... time and money.

When I was playing counter strike on my old laptop it automatically set me on low settings. However, when I played it on my newer laptop it set the game at medium/high settings. It detected my hardware and chosed the best option. I'm sure xbox scorpio will do the same. Didn't require anyone to playtest or do anything about it.