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I actually liked a lot of things, but there are some big problems

- While $300 is in the OK area for the switch itself, accessories price is really high without any justification so far. Not crazy high, but expensive nonetheless.
- Internal space is too low. Expanding it with MicroSDXC is not only expensive, but inefficient, as even the fatest Micro SDXC cards are slower than a conventional HD right now. If you like digital, which is actually very handy in a portable, this is a huge issue.
- Nintendo online currently doesn't justify charging for it. They have miles to go before doing so.
- Weak launch line up as of yet. And this is coming from someone who is going to buy this for Zelda alone and really liked ARMs. Still, one killer app is not enough. Not sure what Nintendo is thinking asking $50 for 1 2 Switch. I wouldn't download that even if it was free, but it should at least be bundled with every console (would actually prefere a pretty case with each one, and that would reinforce the portable aspect)

What is really good
- HD Rumble (No one was really investing in improving the damn thing).
- Battery life is comparable to the 3DS it seems, which is way better than anything i could expect.
- LAN (Loved this one



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Hynad said:
Normchacho said:

I will gladly go through what I think Nintendo needed to do to make the Switch a success and none of them are just making another Playstation.

1. Have some sort of achievement system. Not everyone cares about them, but there are a lot of people who do and implementing such a system would have been an easy way to make them happy and would have been a good indicator to everyone else that Nintendo understood the current conosle ecosystem.

2. Integrated voice chat! This is such a no brainer feature that there are a lot of people flat out refuse to believe it's not actually there. It's 2017 and to sell a system that doesn't offer it is quite frankly silly. Including it would hugely improve the experience playing online for people who want to talk to the people they're playing with and would once again show the world that they aren't living in the past.

3. An at least compitent games incentive for it's online service. One NES or SNES game to rent a month is woefully inadequite compared to what the competion offers and is actually probably worse than not offering anything from a PR perspective. Nintendo has a huge catalog of great games and giving it's subscribers at least one or two free N64 or Gamecube games a month should be well inside the realm of posibility considering what Xbox and PlayStation offer.

4. Have as many of the major streaming and entertainment apps available at launch as possible. When even the 3DS has access to Netflix, and the PS TV, a $99 mini console, was shredded for excluding streaming apps, there's really no excuse for a $300 portable device to be missing them. It sevearly limits in functionality and usefulness outside of gaming and just looks bad.

5. Allow access to all VC games bought on the Wii and Wii U. Mostly this would just be a good feature for loyal Nintendo fans who have spent a lot of money over the years buying games of the VC who may be pretty unhappy to learn that they might have to buy them all over again.

6. Put more effort into securing 3rd party content. I understand that the Switch likely won't get much in the way of big AAA games. But if at their big unveiling they have to show off Rayman Legends as an example of 3rd party support...they aren't doing a good enough job. AA games, NEWER indies, Madden, Just something they showed a little bit more commitment.

7. Be more open about what's going on. In  recent interview with Kotaku Nintendo responded to 5 of the 11 questions they were asked with "We have nothing to announce at this time". With less than a month and a half to go before launch that's not really good enough. They either need to have answers, or they needed to wait until they did to put this thing out there.

 

Even if it's not exactly what I personally wanted, I can see the appeal of the hybrid system. But Honestly, I think they're rushing the system out to launch with Zelda. From what we've seen I'm not sure Nintendo is really ready to go here.

A lot of that can be added in the future through system updates.

1 - I don't care much about trophies/achievements, and I don't really understand their appeal. I prefer when the game itself has unique objectives that unlock in-game rewards when I succeed, than trophies that serve no purpose other than to boast among fellow gamers... But hey, that's just me. This kind of "feature" can be added later on.

2 - I'm with you about the voice chat. In fact, I think it's stupid to leave online interaction behind a mobile app. The mobile app isn't a bad idea in itself, but it should be optional, not mandatory.

3- The details about their subscription service aren't yet known. We only have bits of info about it. So lets wait until theyr reveal it all, with pricing, before passing a definite judgment on it.

4- Having Netflix on a portable console can be cool. But I wonder if that many users actually use their portable consoles for that... Either way, Netflix is included in pretty much electronic device including toaster and coffee machine. So that's not really a big issues. That being said, Netflix may not be on the Switch at launch, but nothing says it will never become available. The same applies for any other streaming app.

5- Reggies mentioned in a few interviews that they heard the complaints about VC games. He said they're looking into it and will announce how that will work in the coming weeks.

6- The way I see it, third party support could potentially be as good as on the 3DS. Depending on Switch's success, I expect Nintendo to slowly move away from the 3DS and concentrate all its effort on the Switch. I expect it to replace both the Wii U and 3DS in the not so long term. Which means that the developers that make all that content for the 3DS will move to the Switch. I don't expect a lot of ports of AAA PS4/XBO game to come to the Switch. Because the power gap is simply too big. But if the Switch does well, I expect it to receive a lot of unique content from third parties. As long as it's not shovelware, I'll be cool. Keep in mind that it's only the launch of the console, and that Nintendo may have taken a while before sending developers dev kits, to make sure their concept remained under wrap. We'll see if short term support will be any good after e3 has passed.

7- People like you are just impatient. I see this comment being brought up mostly by people who aren't even buying the Switch on launch. The console being sold-out already. So it's not like Nintendo doesn't still have time to get their info out before you get to buy one.

1. It doesn't really matter if you specifically don't care about them. There are plenty of people who do, and not having them makes them look out of touch.

4. Yeah, they'll likely add streaming apps down the line simply because it's just silly for a device like this to be missing them. But in the meantime it's a bad piece of news that should have bee easy to avoid.

6. The Switch maybe sort of possibly getting 3DS levels of support isn't really good enough though. Partly because Nintendo is still announcing games for the 3DS, and partly because even if it does get much better support we're left wondering what's going on in the meantime. Also, I'm not sure paying $60 for games on the Switch that would have otherwise been $40 on the 3DS is really going to be enough 3rd party support for what is supposed to be their new home console.

 

3,5,7 and summary. These all focus on their communication and level of preparedness, so I'll do these together. Really all of this falls under the category of "Why on earth isn't this ready yet?". By the time the PS4 and Xbox One were six weeks out we knew everything about them. Hell, I'm pretty sure the Xbox One had already had its 180. For Nintendo to still not be talking about really fundamental features this close to launch is really worrying for a lot of people.

When I say that this should have been an easy home run I'm talking about the unveiling. All they had to do was come out and show the world that the Switch was both uniquely Nintendo and thoroughly modern and that Nintendo understands where the gaming industry is and where it's going. The Switch should be steaming towards launch on a wave of hype. Instead, the majority of coverage has been "What the hell is Nintendo doing?".

 

Does that mean that the Switch is doomed or that Nintendo can't turn this around? Of course not. But so far this reveal has been a large, and easily avoidable misstep.



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BeatdownBrigade said:
bdbdbd said:

Umm... yeah, but don't they have just as much options, only that Nintendo is doing it better?

Competition offers both native and app based chat. The issue is Nintendo is offering only the app based solution and making you pay for access to it. This is the cutting corners and cheaper solution than having a robust online infrastructure. Not everyone has large or unlimited data plans on their smartphones so they either need to use it exclusively on wifi or pay for better data plans. And speaking of wifi something like 20% of Americans with broadband internet still do not have Wifi connections. That number is even lower in some other countries in the world and the Switch's dock does not come with an ethernet port. Meaning a LAN adapter is also necessary for those people.

Also the issue of how Nintendo intends, if at all, to deal with getting both game audio and voice chat audio into the same headset. And to deal with the issue of how much background noise a smartphones mic picks up. Overall hard to see how offering less options behind a paywall, and one that is still out of the question for a lot of people's internet and mobile options in the world.

I see. It's like paid online then. It's something you'd need to pay for, but not having an infrastructure means you can't use it. Which is why a shit service like that should be free because then you would not a use a worse free online service and pay nothing for it, instead of not using a better online service and pay nothing for it. This was argument, right? If it wasn't, could you elaborate what it is then?

If you're required to buy yourself a LAN adapter to play online, you don't have unlimited data on your mobile and you do not have a wifi access point, the obvious solution would be buy the access point instead of LAN adapter anyway. Having a wireless connection for all my devices was my main reason to buy an access point a decade ago, instead of LAN adapter, to have my Wii online.

Maybe the audio is streamed directly to your smartphone.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

irstupid said:
KLXVER said:

Well I guess you got lucky then. Only having a Nintendo console isnt even an option for me anymore.

I don't only have a Nintendo console. I also have a Xbox One S and a PC.

I'm just stating, that dissing Nintendo is ill-dissed. They haven't changed. KindaFunnyGames has. Be like dissing Cartoon Network for still showing cartoons and wondering why they don't air Game of Thrones. KindaFunny don't like cartoons anymore. Ok fine, change the channel. I still like me some cartoons, but I also watch HBO. I'm not gonna bash CN for not having mature content. I get my mature content elsewhere, always have.

Actually, Nintendo has changed a lot. It's that the 3D Nintendo we have today have become a kiddie-only developer, whereas going back to 80's and 90's, the games were suitable for kids, but still had kick-ass content that suited adults as well.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

irstupid said:

They haven't changed. KindaFunnyGames has. Be like dissing Cartoon Network for still showing cartoons and wondering why they don't air Game of Thrones. KindaFunny don't like cartoons anymore. Ok fine, change the channel. I still like me some cartoons, but I also watch HBO. I'm not gonna bash CN for not having mature content. I get my mature content elsewhere, always have.

Sometime I wonder if people acturally remember correctly Nintendo before wii.  They use to advertise about there specs and not only market games friendly to little children.

This was a actural Nintendo commerical during the N64 era (not kid friendly).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fcid8H3bbo



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Colin is right. Hes still got the switch preorder but as he kept thinking  he admitted to questioning why hes even investing in it.



Cyran said:
irstupid said:

They haven't changed. KindaFunnyGames has. Be like dissing Cartoon Network for still showing cartoons and wondering why they don't air Game of Thrones. KindaFunny don't like cartoons anymore. Ok fine, change the channel. I still like me some cartoons, but I also watch HBO. I'm not gonna bash CN for not having mature content. I get my mature content elsewhere, always have.

Sometime I wonder if people acturally remember correctly Nintendo before wii.  They use to advertise about there specs and not only market games friendly to little children.

This was a actural Nintendo commerical during the N64 era (not kid friendly).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fcid8H3bbo

Advertising the specs was prior to Gamecube. Conker's Bad Fur Day was actually Rare developed and published game, not Nintendo's, which would put it into same category with Madworld and other over the top violent games there were on Wii.



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Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

bdbdbd said:
Cyran said:

Sometime I wonder if people acturally remember correctly Nintendo before wii.  They use to advertise about there specs and not only market games friendly to little children.

This was a actural Nintendo commerical during the N64 era (not kid friendly).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fcid8H3bbo

Advertising the specs was prior to Gamecube. Conker's Bad Fur Day was actually Rare developed and published game, not Nintendo's, which would put it into same category with Madworld and other over the top violent games there were on Wii.

True, I dont know how it works for commercial (do Nintendo get some say in what allowed when there company logo is used in the commercial) but my memory is the commercials that aired on tv for Madworld  was fairly tame in comparison.

They might not have advertised gamecube specs like they did for Snes/N64 but it was a powerful system in comparison to the competition.  It was not till wii that the trend of being signficantly lower specs started.



Cyran said:
bdbdbd said:

Advertising the specs was prior to Gamecube. Conker's Bad Fur Day was actually Rare developed and published game, not Nintendo's, which would put it into same category with Madworld and other over the top violent games there were on Wii.

True, I dont know how it works for commercial (do Nintendo get some say in what allowed when there company logo is used in the commercial) but my memory is the commercials that aired on tv for Madworld  was fairly tame in comparison.

They might not have advertised gamecube specs like they did for Snes/N64 but it was a powerful system in comparison to the competition.  It was not till wii that the trend of being signficantly lower specs started.

Well, if the game is accepted by Nintedo on their system, you'd expect the game could be advertised. 

It was the real world performance Nintendo announced for the Gamecube, and they aren't giving out the specs these days, because it would not be good advertising because their recent systems have been much less powerful than competing systems.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Youtubers are mostly hacks. People who don't have enough talent to make it on TV, using self publishing to scam people into making them rich via ad revenue. The rise of the information age has it's ugly side and Youtubers are a part of that imo.