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KLXVER on 17 April 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
curl-6 said:

Zelda is going to sell well over 5 million on Switch alone.

I know. I used past tense. I said Would've Sold. I did not say 'Will Sell'

I'm saying it would've sold over 5 mil if it released on all of those platforms by now. 

So you dont think anyone on the other consoles would mind the more primitve graphics of Breath Of The Wild?



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Hynad on 17 April 2017
KLXVER said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I know. I used past tense. I said Would've Sold. I did not say 'Will Sell'

I'm saying it would've sold over 5 mil if it released on all of those platforms by now. 

So you dont think anyone on the other consoles would mind the more primitve graphics of Breath Of The Wild?

Stylized as they are, they're not at all primitive.

I game primarily on my PS4 Pro and had absolutely no problem with the game's graphics. I even stopped at time to enjoy the beauty of the scenery.

That's just me, but to put things into perspective: I went from playing Horizon to playing BOTW without any significant time gap between the two...



zorg1000 on 17 April 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
zorg1000 said:

Ok well since you brought up Mario Kart, explain how Mario Kart Wii outsold Mario Kart DS by over 10 million while having an install that was over 50 million lower?

How did Double Dash outsell Super Cuircut on nearly 1/4 the install base? How did Mario Kart 8 sell almost as much as Super MK on 1/4 the install base?

Like I said, bigger install base does not necessarily mean bigger sales.

as for keeping handhelds but going 3rd party on consoles, that would only hurt their handheld business.

Sigh.

1. I already said it's not a 1 for 1 growth. 
2. Because they're not the same game.
3. Handheld and console are different platforms and you can't compare the 2 and they're completely different markets.
4. The same game released on more platforms DOES mean more sales. Is it proportional? No. But I already said that so I don't know why you keep making this point. GTA V Would not have sold 75 million units if it was playstation exclusive.
5. If you think them putting Mario and Zelda etc on PS/XBOX/STEAM Means people wont buy their handhelds and they wouldn't sell a tonne from Pokemon and Monster Hunter I don't know what to say to you.

1-4. is beating around the bush. nothing you have said supports that Nintendo games would sell significantly higher by being on PS/XB. i know you said its not 1 to 1 but my examples are still valid, a bigger install base does not automatically mean bigger sales.

5. developing for PS/XB/PC would take significant resources away from their handhelds. A huge struggle Nintendo has had is supporting 2 platforms simultaneously. they struggled to support both 3DS & Wii U so what makes you think they can give strong support to an HD handheld while also developing games for PS/XB/PC?



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curl-6 on 17 April 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
curl-6 said:

But with the loss of both hardware profits and software royalties.

If it was in Nintendo's best interest to go third party, they would have done it already.

All companies only make decisions that it 100% best for them and never make any mistakes. 

Would the switch have sold less with Zelda not being exclusive? Yes of course. How much money did they spend on R&D for the switch? Hmm.

If all the Games for Wii U came out on PS/Xbox/Steam at the same time it would've done Wii numbers. Super profits. And they'd make even more money from claiming ad revenue on more youtube videos ;) 

They're not stupid, they'll have looked into the possibility numerous times over the years. The reason they keep making the same decision, not to, is because that's the choice that benefits them.



KLXVER on 17 April 2017
Hynad said:
KLXVER said:

So you dont think anyone on the other consoles would mind the more primitve graphics of Breath Of The Wild?

Stylized as they are, they're not at all primitive.

I game primarily on my PS4 Pro and had absolutely no problem with the game's graphics. I even stopped at time to enjoy the beauty of the scenery.

That's just me, but to put things into perspective: I went from Horizon to BOTW...

Well it does look great at times, but there are still some rough stuff in there. Especially with the pop ins and some surfaces like on the mountains look quite bad.



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Barkley on 17 April 2017
KLXVER said:

Well it does look great at times, but there are still some rough stuff in there. Especially with the pop ins and some surfaces like on the mountains look quite bad.

But you're talking about people on other consoles minding those rough edges... when those rough edges can be fixed with the additional power.

I don't think Breath of the Wild has primitive graphics, and I don't think players on ps4/xbo would mind it either, especially as it'd run at 1080p solid 30fps no problem.



KLXVER on 17 April 2017
Barkley said:
KLXVER said:

Well it does look great at times, but there are still some rough stuff in there. Especially with the pop ins and some surfaces like on the mountains look quite bad.

But you're talking about people on other consoles minding those rough edges... when those rough edges can be fixed with the additional power.

So you would say that overall the game looks great for a PS4 game?



Barkley on 17 April 2017
KLXVER said:

So you would say that overall the game looks great for a PS4 game?

If it recieved some minor work it'd be good, simply increase resolution to 1080p and add an AA solution. Would it be a great looking game by ps4 standards? No, but then you make the mistake of thinking ps4/xbo gamers need every game to look GREAT!

Zelda isn't a bad looking game, and there's a lot of examples of PS4 titles that look worse.



KLXVER on 17 April 2017
Barkley said:
KLXVER said:

So you would say that overall the game looks great for a PS4 game?

If it recieved some minor work it'd be good, simply increase resolution to 1080p and add an AA solution. Would it be a great looking game by ps4 standards? No, but then you make the mistake of thinking ps4/xbo gamers need every game to look GREAT!

Zelda isn't a bad looking game, and there's a lot of examples of PS4 titles that look worse.

Fair enough.



ArchangelMadzz on 17 April 2017
curl-6 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

All companies only make decisions that it 100% best for them and never make any mistakes. 

Would the switch have sold less with Zelda not being exclusive? Yes of course. How much money did they spend on R&D for the switch? Hmm.

If all the Games for Wii U came out on PS/Xbox/Steam at the same time it would've done Wii numbers. Super profits. And they'd make even more money from claiming ad revenue on more youtube videos ;) 

They're not stupid, they'll have looked into the possibility numerous times over the years. The reason they keep making the same decision, not to, is because that's the choice that benefits them.

The reason they haven't is because Nintendo has a rich history of being the leader in gaming hardware. Innovating and bringing new ideas in how to play games and they are proud of that and don't want to let that go as it is part of their identity. 



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