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Username2324 said:
sc94597 said:
dabaus513 said:
sc94597 said:
dabaus513 said:
sc94597 said:
^ We are talking about as a spare gpu.

 


Sorry to ask a n00b question but what is the difference between a gpu and a spu? What do they do specifically?


Well cell as a whole is technically a cpu. It is seperated in a core, and 7 spus. So a gpu is a graphics processing unit. WHile a cpu is a central processing unit. A cpu is the main processor , and it usually runs things in general, while a gpu stays in one specific area graphics. Now since the cell has a core, and several spus that aren't being used for most games I think you could use the spus for graphics production similar to a gpu. It just helps graphics production more than a regular cpu. I think that is what people are saying to me about the cell being used for graphics.


Oh, sounds confusing. So based off what you know about processors and such would you theps3 or 360 has more juice or are they better at different things. Does making a hard drive make a difference as well? Sorry for the noob questions but i find this stuff interesting and dont really know much about it.

Well the 360 has a better gpu while having an inferior cpu. I would say the ps3 is more capable , but the difference imo is similar to the difference between the gc , and xbox. Hard drives only matter for space, nothing too big. I'm far from an expert though, especially on the cell. I think another thing we have to take in to consideration is that most developers have to re learn things to develop for the cell, which means most of it's power won't be used until later on in this generation.
Exactly why you shouldnt be talking like you think you're expert.

 


 Actually, for being a PS3 hater, SC did a good job of explaining it. Basically a CPU/GPU is a device to do math. Simple as that. The type of math that a GPU does is very very good at turning login into images for the screen. The GPU usually as much faster ram as well, as speed is key.

The SPU's are as good as a GPU at the kind of math needed to create images from logic, and with 7 of them, they are very powerful tools for this application. The problem is, GPU's are made by companies that know very well how to do this kind of thing, and provide very powerful software to developers. If you want to make smoke, you just call a software routine in the GPU and it does a lot of the work. If you want to use a SPU to make smoke, you need to develop code to make smoke. If you are not as good at is as the guys at NVidia or ATI (and 99% of the time, your not), then you don't get as much out of the SPU.

This is where time is needed for Sony, and the game developing community in general,  to develop better tools to utilize the Cell. Some companies already do this well, most don't.

  



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Go watch the movie! It really has some awesome graphics. But I wonder how they got it working so well on the PS3... It's amazing!



Tease.

TheRealMafoo said:
sc94597 said:

That is why I added the operating system in the cost. The processor is good enough for all games. I meant to put 8500gt you could get an 8400gs for about $30. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122023 that is more than enough to outperform the ps3s gpu. I didn't say it was a better deal rather than It could produce better graphics.

 


You can't compare a PC to a Console. They are way to different. While statistically that computer might be as good, put a 8400GS or a 8500GT in a PC, and run UT3 at the same resolution and visual setting the PS3 is at, and see how crappy it looks in comparison. (I bet you get 10-15 fps)

When you have closed hardware, and a light OS, you can get a lot more out of a system.


Seriously, why are these people trying to argue that an 8400gt will somehow out perform the PS3/360? I have a e2160 cpu (overclocked to 3ghz), 2 gigs of DDR2 ram, and a 7800gt. My friend let me barrow his COD4 for a day and I'm not even running it with all graphics on high and I used a rather low resolution and my FPS wouldn't be smooth. (20 in intense areas and 50 in no action). Now, lets compare that to the PS3/360 version of COD4 where it looks great and runs at a smoother frame rate most of the time (frame rate drops that I saw were in multiplayer where there'd be smoke grenades and other crap going on in a tight area).



Cell is being used - but but not to it's full potential STI (Sony Toshiba IBM )are continually developing new software models and cell accellerated libraries etc for cell so newer games will be better.
As for 1080p games cell can help the GPU but is better for other things like advanced interactivity ie PS3 eye face or image recognition, Voice recognition, Physics , Real AI with neural networks (not the scripted crap you get currently) and other features. Though dont expect to see this sort of stuff for a while as it seems beyond the understanding of most current developers.
The Cell of course is based on the original T1000's CPU which had 64 SPU's and 4PPC's - sadly the AI software was unable to be recovered however(perhaps fortunatly)



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DogWeed said:
the ps3 is the only console on the market that can actually render true hd. xbox 360 can only go up to 1080i which is arguably worse than 720p. and i dont even think they wii is hd.

i dont know the answer on why they dont bring it to full 1080. but at least it can go to 1080, and soon we will see that.
 Where the hell have you been for like the last 20 months? 360 had a download which enabled it to do true 1080p. Have a look at the back of a 360 game box next time your in a game shop.  

 



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Username2324 said:
sc94597 said:
ssj12 said:
The strength about the PS3 is the processor not the GPU. The GPU is equal to the 7800GTX, no question on that. The 9800GX2 easily puts the RSX to shame but it will take a PC with a QX9770 and a 9800GX2 to outperform what the PS3 is truly capable of thanks to the CELL processor.

Yeah I agree, but nobody seems to use the CELL. It just lays there being unused. I really want to see what the cell is capable of as a gpu. The only problem I see is the small amount of ram , and low bandwidth compared to pc gpus.

 

 

Edit: But I don't agree it's that powerful. Maybe equivalent to a 8800gt single.

Laugh out freakin loud! So you go from being less than a 8400GT to close to a 8800GT, that's quite a jump my friend!

 

This thread has bad tech talk. Stop calling the Cell a GPU. It's not its a CPU. End of. 

 



Why does the PS3 suck so much... At rendering at FULL HD?

We have two options:
Lack of power (The most likely, for both the PS3 and the 360)...
Lack of budget, likely too, but Killzone 2 is not full HD and only 30fps...

So, devs ask themselves, should we made a game @ 1080 with bad framerate or a game @ 720 with locked framerate and no framedrop issues???

Most of the games are going to be 720 or less for the whole gen...



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selnor said:
Username2324 said:
sc94597 said:
ssj12 said:
The strength about the PS3 is the processor not the GPU. The GPU is equal to the 7800GTX, no question on that. The 9800GX2 easily puts the RSX to shame but it will take a PC with a QX9770 and a 9800GX2 to outperform what the PS3 is truly capable of thanks to the CELL processor.

Yeah I agree, but nobody seems to use the CELL. It just lays there being unused. I really want to see what the cell is capable of as a gpu. The only problem I see is the small amount of ram , and low bandwidth compared to pc gpus.

 

 

Edit: But I don't agree it's that powerful. Maybe equivalent to a 8800gt single.

Laugh out freakin loud! So you go from being less than a 8400GT to close to a 8800GT, that's quite a jump my friend!

 

This thread has bad tech talk. Stop calling the Cell a GPU. It's not its a CPU. End of.

 


Now that is the truth.

@sc94597

Are you actually saying the Cell is equivalent to an 8800GT? Dear god...



Also, every 20 minutes you play a PS3, God kills another kitten. Please... think of the kittens...



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