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vivster said:
CGI-Quality said:

I really don't want a million page debate on what sexism is/isn't. So, your best bet for an explanation (should he choose to give one) is to just PM Bristow, or wait out a reply in here. Just remember that he doesn't have to reply to it at all, so be prepared for any outcome.

I discussed this with him a few days ago. He's standing firm on the decision (particularly since it was for multiple infractions), but like I said, maybe he'd be willing to explain it a bit more from his perspective.

As far as I understood, the mod team is still a team and difficult or contested actions or decisions are discussed within the team. Seeing how no one else responded, does that mean the team is backing Bristow's decision? Or is my understanding wrong? Which would beg the question what happens when there is internal disagreement. He should be able to defend his decision publicly. If he can't, that just sheds even more doubt on his action and the mod team as a whole of course. If this issue was simply solved by a nice private chat I wouldn't be posting here. If this is too humiliating or stressful for a mod to do publicly, then either I or the mods have a different understanding of what it means to be a public authority figure.

I think this is absolutely the right place to discuss the definition of sexism since it is certainly a hard trigger for bans on this forum and if it isn't clearly defined, we will end up with highly contested decisions like this one.

All we have for now is a mod claiming that a user said something he never did and who handed out a ban on that premise. Unless he was referencing posts that weren't in the ban notice. But since you said that he stands firm on his decision I'm sure he has no problem delivering a solid defense.

Regarding the Bolded I think what CGI means is that the mod team fully support Bristow to have made the right call, in that... they as a team support each member of said team to have made the call based on unbiased and balanced views on the matter, while not directly saying they would make the same choice or have acted the same in that situation, it's less a "we think the choice was correct" and more "we support Bristow to make the right choice as he shown he is capable of doing such a thing"

Also cgi mentioned that it was multiple infractions so it's not a case of the person said a single thing which could/would potentially be bordering on sexism it's a string of things together which ended in the ban being applied from what I understand, I just mean, it's not like a person could say a single word by mistake and find themselves with a ban, they would likely have a mod warning at some point down that path before it got to the hard trigger.

Still though clarification on rules is never a bad thing but always remember that the rules here are not the complete list of things that users can be moderated for, there is a little element of (not to be insulting) common sense in that you should be aware that if you're laying post after post of something which would offend a group of people then you're likely to get pulled up on it, regardless of if there is or isn't a specific rule about that.



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I would like to bring to attention a ban that I find hard to swallow.

 

Vivster has recently been banned for this post.

In the ban note it states: "While it is fine to disagree with someone and their political ideology, it is not fine however to outright call someone else a member of the KKK and flame them."

However, if you read the very comment, it is clear that Vivster is not calling the member a participant in the KKK, but rather the mirror. Look, it says right there: "  the mirror is so far to the right that it already jumped out of your apartment and joined the KKK "

For this reason I feel this ban note does not hold up under scrutiny. 




CGI-Quality said:
Ka-pi96 said:

huh, I never got a notification for this. I wonder if the hyphen is messing it up again.

Anyways, by pm? Or... CaptainExplosion

As far as I'm concerned OPs filled with insults and expletives are not a good way to start political threads.

Noted. I'll have a chat with everyone else and see what we can come up with. 

My list of people who shouldn't be making political threads is too long to list here, but it essentially includes everyone at VGChartz.



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Bandorr said:
CGI-Quality said:

Although I wasn't there for that decision (this is years old, now), as I understand it, certain behaviors/habits caused that. 

@Ka-pi96: If more people fall into the same situation as barney, that could happen. Since you ask that, you obviously have people in mind. Who are they?

If we are giving suggestions I'd absolutely go with numberwang.

Every thread I look is him sensationalizing the headlines.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8876386

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8877083

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8861439

On just the first page is THREE different threads with three moderators having to change his titles. Plus you can easily go back to his past to find many, many threads of this crap.

Oh so we're writing out ban lists now?

@numberwang so you know what's someone is posting about you and can defend yourself.



Speaking of numberwang, may I ask why his transphobic language was met with a simple edit to the OP rather than a moderation?

- Moderators will look at overt discrimination very harshly. Blatant forms of racism, sexism, homophobia, or any other sort of hatred towards a group of people(s) will not be tolerated, and will be met with firm moderation.

The language used is no different than say, fag or dyke. Using derogatory and offensive terms for transgender people should not be protected and/or hidden by the mod team.



                            

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CGI-Quality said:

I can see where you're coming from. However, in this instance, it didn't strike any of us as blatant. I actually took it as a form of ignorance, because he may not have known just how offensive that word is (many people use it casually without understanding this). It also isn't as profound as other popular words (we had this issue during the Summer with words like "weeb").

But I do get that it's offensive. Since he doesn't have a history with it, I thought it better to post it openly in the thread as a means of what not to do and correct the issue within the OP. A teaching moment rather than a stern hand. Hopefully, it works, but if not, the next step will be taken, because at that point, its blatantness will be unmistakable. 

So to summarize... A 30-something year old American man who spends most of his time on these forums posting in political discussion pushing a specific agenda and it's just ignorance.

Thank you for the answer.



                            

Carl said:
CGI-Quality said:

I can see where you're coming from. However, in this instance, it didn't strike any of us as blatant. I actually took it as a form of ignorance, because he may not have known just how offensive that word is (many people use it casually without understanding this). It also isn't as profound as other popular words (we had this issue during the Summer with words like "weeb").

But I do get that it's offensive. Since he doesn't have a history with it, I thought it better to post it openly in the thread as a means of what not to do and correct the issue within the OP. A teaching moment rather than a stern hand. Hopefully, it works, but if not, the next step will be taken, because at that point, its blatantness will be unmistakable. 

So to summarize... A 30-something year old American man who spends most of his time on these forums posting in political discussion pushing a specific agenda and it's just ignorance.

Thank you for the answer.

Sounds like someone is upset he relinquished his power.



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Azuren said:

Sounds like someone is upset he relinquished his power.

Absolutely not. I can assure you.



                            

Carl said:
CGI-Quality said:

I can see where you're coming from. However, in this instance, it didn't strike any of us as blatant. I actually took it as a form of ignorance, because he may not have known just how offensive that word is (many people use it casually without understanding this). It also isn't as profound as other popular words (we had this issue during the Summer with words like "weeb").

But I do get that it's offensive. Since he doesn't have a history with it, I thought it better to post it openly in the thread as a means of what not to do and correct the issue within the OP. A teaching moment rather than a stern hand. Hopefully, it works, but if not, the next step will be taken, because at that point, its blatantness will be unmistakable. 

So to summarize... A 30-something year old American man who spends most of his time on these forums posting in political discussion pushing a specific agenda and it's just ignorance.

Thank you for the answer.

Why would you expect a thirty something year old man to know anything about the trans community even if they're into politics? They keep changing what's not offensive and what is so much unless you're a part of that community or make it a point to keep tabs, you won't know. 



Aeolus451 said:

Why would you expect a thirty something year old man to know anything about the trans community even if they're into politics? They keep changing what's not offensive and what is so much unless you're a part of that community or make it a point to keep tabs, you won't know. 

I'd expect someone who's investing so much time into specific subjects to hold a basic understanding of said subjects.